People becoming increasingly rude and self entitled

[SusanandMidge]

A friend was told to fuck off by a delightful woman at the weekend when she asked a bunch of adults (late 20s, early 30s) to turn off the loud music they were blaring from the pavement and singing along at top volume to at 11pm.

On Saturday I had a woman with a young child in the car refuse to reverse when she was driving the wrong way in a car park and our cars met. She insisted I reverse and even opened her window and said a sarcastic 'now was that so hard' when she passed me.

My neighbour was berated by an affronted father, one night last week, for asking a child aged about 12 who was creating an absolute racket outside her house at about 10.30pm and refusing several requests to move, where she lived so she could speak to her parents. Apparently she really upset the child who arrived home in tears!

Is it my imagination or are people becoming increasingly self entitled and highly indignant when asked to show a bit of consideration or manners to others?

I got called a c* the other day by a 15 year old because we couldn't give him a free bus pass for the Summer holidays. 15, ffs! If I ever found out my spoke to someone using that language he would be grounded until he was 21!

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I haven't seen this personally. I started a thread the other day that was practically the opposite of this one...

I've had so many lovely encounters with strangers recently who have been kind, friendly, complimentary, etc.

I think this is a big part of it.

Plus the idea that the world is going to hell in a handbasket so might as well look out for number 1.

The combination of poor role models (incompetent or corrupt government and police) and internet/social media (everyone’s an expert) means that the influence of parents and smaller communities is diluted.

I think the phone on loudspeaker thing could be eradicated by a mass engagement in polite conversation about what they are listening to.

"what's that you're listening to?.. It sounds a lot like X... Do you play an instrument?"

"Aww, is that Paw Patrol he's watching?.. My daughter used to love Paw Patrol... Is he starting school in September?.."

They'd remember their headphones after a couple of times of that happening. 😂

When you say 'people' you British society, right?

I've noticed this. Supermarket shopping at the weekend was very busy. A few times I came into the path of people. I'm there all, oh sorry, oh thank you. Nothing, absolutely nothing. Not even eye contact. It's quite weird actually.
When I do encounter the odd pleasant person it's lovely, it's just hardly atall recently.

All the snitching during lockdowns caused this. That’s what happens when people are lied to to make them turn on each other.

I don’t think you can blame the government for poor behaviour. My parents were pretty shit hot on our behaviour as kids under Thatcher and Blair. It’s shit parenting. We grew up skint as well so economic difficulty didn’t seem to make my parents any less likely to go mental if we were rude. How you and your kids behave is personal to you, to blame outside forces for making you rude or hostile is a childs response.

@amusedbush

Maybe it's just social media giving everyone a platform and an inflated sense of importance

Yes, I certainly think that's part of it. There's definitely been an increase in selfishness over the past decade or two, just coinciding with the internet, alongside the "look at me"! No one seems to give a toss about anyone else anymore. A lot of the younger generation are just feral and have no respect for anything nor anyone.

Exactly. There are still plenty of young people who know how to behave and are respectful. Trouble is, they now seem to be in a minority. How can you blame politicians when plenty of kids turn out right? It's 100% down to parents. Trouble is that today's parents want to "abdicate" their responsibilities - expect someone else to nurture their children because they can't be bothered to do it themselves, whether it's teachers, the NHS, childcare providers or whoever, but it's never their responsibility!

I also wonder if we have developed a culture of “it’s not my fault”. If people believe that everything is someone elses fault or look to someone else to fix their problems or make it right then you end up extremely entitled.

A woman on here a few weeks ago was horrified that she was expected to actually help her child learn to read, she thought it was the schools job.

I found the below report on school readiness really interesting, if you scan down to page 17 it was quite eye opening

https://kindredsquared.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Kindred-Squared-School-Readiness-Report.pdf

And more and more people just lie these days as if by saying something makes it true. They seem deluded that their lies are obvious and there's often proof that they're lying, but they just don't care and sometimes they seriously seem to believe their own lies are the truth. Do they think everyone else is stupid?? Or do they lie so much they don't actually know what's true and what's a lie anymore?

I work in healthcare and have done for longer than I care to remember.
I feel like I've always been at the receiving end of more undesirable attitudes and people than others who aren't as public facing.

However I do think it has got a lot worse. I've had to call security more than I've ever had to in my career and I've been called a cunt more in the last 4 years or so than I have in the 20 years previously.
Maybe I'm more of a cunt now... who knows. Haha.

I noticed this before covid that people were becoming more and more unpleasant.

That said I still have lovely patients who make me smile and remember why I do my job.

I think TV soaps like Eastenders, Coronation Street and Emmerdale have a lot to answer for with regards to how people are treated in their plot lines, certainly not good role models for society to copy.
The ‘Margaret Thatcher’ years didn’t help either with the Tory attitude of ‘I’m alright Jack’ and sod everyone else which they appear to have resurrected with the help of Bo Jo and his hangers on.

I think lockdown has a lot to do with it as I have noticed an increase in this kind of thing since then. A global or national crisis can bring out the best or worst in people, it seems, and I've seen a good deal of both since 2020.

I agree, more and more people relinquish their responsibilities to others and it’s the schools who are having to do the most basic parenting for children coming into reception.
Year on year it’s getting worse.

100% agree with you. Every bus I get on there is at leat 1 idiot playing their phone at full volume and no headphones. I got on a train Saturday lunchtime and every single person had their feet on the seats! Gross. Fly tipping where I live is really bad and you see people just dumping stuff all over the place with no regards for anyone else. But our local council is just as bad - they do exactly as they please in the face of residents fierce opposition. I’m it’s not just young people . Lockdown has eroded any sense of community values. Party gate is a prime example of “do as I please and fuck everyone else”

I used to receive emails from the teacher's school email address but what I meant was that it would be from sarah.smith at school.sch.uk rather than [email protected] so I could then email Sarah Smith directly the next time. But it wasn't her gmail account or similar.

The TRA movement is a perfect example of this. People can identify or dress as how they want, but I draw the line at being made to give up a woman's safe space because of the insistence that a woman can have a penis. There have always been transpersons (we used to call them crossdressers) and they got on with their lives , so did everyone else without all this brouhaha.

I called a parent out on it a few weeks back, after taking her child away for the weekend as part of a volunteering organisation, she wasn't at the collection point half an hour after the arrival time. On phoning her she was do rude to another keader, accused us of not communicating information, and failed to say thank you for looking after her daughter for 48 hours.

This is a highly professional career person, who speaks to all as we if are lesser humans, not sure many call her out.

Schools aren't helping, current thinking is all behaviour has a reason and consequences are arbitrary and lots of restorative justice. The school I teach in is just starting dien this path, and I'm not convinced, my children's school is already on the path, and the handling of a situation has left me unimpressed. Bullying child's behaviour is considered cute.

There have always been transpersons (we used to call them crossdressers) and they got on with their lives , so did everyone else without all this brouhaha.

I remember transwomen when I was young so the 1960s (a few) - they got on with their lives, looking and acting like the gender that they preferred. They didn't expect to compete in women's sports, presumably quietly used women's facilities discreetly and everyone was happy 😃

Exactly and fair play to them. To be fair, I think the majority of transpersons still do this, it's not really them that's that issue is the extreme TRA types. Often they are cis, and just like being offended on behalf of everyone else!

How to behave and treat others. Yeah like don't be gay, obey your husband, if you're not insert religion here you're a bad person.

Iran has the kind of society you describe, why don't you move there?