Why use gender when you mean Sex ?

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Why do people ask the gender of their baby or have gender reveal parties ? The correct question is what sex is my baby or maybe I’m just getting totally fed up of woke nonsense.

I am rabidly GC but actually I am still sticking to the idea that sex and gender still means male and female. Everything else is meaningless blah blah stereotyping.

So I’m totally ok with the term ‘gender reveal party’ - we all know what it means ffs. And what it means is a tacky, attention-seeking naff event to ‘reveal’ something that is ultimately irrelevant to most of the guests.

I find those using the word gender instead of sex annoying but I find people using the word woke even more so. Even worse than that is ‘hubby’, closely followed by ‘hollibobs’.

The 20-week scan, which can be booked privately at 16 weeks if you have any concerns or are a mum who's anxious because of prior losses, is called the anomaly scan with good reason. It has a serious purpose, to check the health and development of the baby.

The frivolous nonsense about 'gender' (sex) is an aside from this purpose.

I was terrified when I had mine in case something was found to be wrong. I envied the people whose only seeming worry was in buying up a glut of pink and blue tat. How does anyone drift through life quite so oblivious?

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I believe it's only very recently that people started to view gender as a social construct, and most people probably still view gender to mean sex. I don't get why people get angry when gender is used to describe sex? If you believe there are lots of different genders and that people choose their own gender that's fine, but why get angry when others don't share this view?

Who’s mad?

For many years sex and gender were interchangeable, it's only in the last few years that we've been told they mean different things.

i very clearly said booking a private scan to find out the sex… called a gender scan. Which is not the same thing as an anomaly scan, hense why I said private gender scan to find out the sex. Plenty of people are lucky enough to drift through life oblivious to problems in pregnancy, I am not one of those people either. My comment was clearly not about that. Pointless and unnecessary comment on your part.

Enough to want a 'gender reveal' party 😬

Lost me as soon as mentioned ‘wokerati’. We know exactly where you are coming from.

That's wrong.

The distinction between 'female' and 'feminine' was being made by (and before) the second-wave feminism of the 1950s. The concept of androgyny - which by definition is predicated on gender stereotypes - was being chewed over by writers as early as Virginia Woolf (who died in 1941).

'Gender' has always been recognised as a social construct. And the problems this creates for women have been a detailed source of inquiry for at least the past century.

1960s sorry.

@Lamelie a man with a beard wouldn’t give intimate care to a female patient as a rule unless the woman consented to it.

Sex and gender are different and the conflation of the two is making it possible for men to break social boundaries and harm women’s rights

Because there’s a huge difference between a refuge, hospital ward, sports team, prison etc that’s ‘single-gender’ and one that’s ‘single-sex’. A single-gender space is open to both sexes depending on how they identify.

@Charlotteowensdodgydad wgst if the man with a beard identifies as a woman they could give intimate care then and as for where I’m coming from what are you alluding to ?

Because the vast majority apparently don't understand the difference.

Except if the beard owner identifies a woman, the female patient risks being accused of transphobia - and you’re also making the assumption that said patient is capable of consenting.

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That’s exactly what self ID means and recent NHS advice “encourages NHS providers to unlawfully discriminate against female patients”.
Here
It’s a turgid and depressing read.

Beautifully and succinctly put.

Trans women aren't women.

Yanbu, and I couldn't agree more. It infuriates me when I see 'gender; m/f' on a form when they mean 'sex: m/f', especially when that form is from a medical or educational setting.

I always cross it out and write 'Sex' with an explanation alongside it as to why I've done so and how damaging it is to conflate the 2.

@EmpressaurusOfCats sorry but if a trans woman had a beard I’m certain a female patient would decline care (as would I) and I suspect the chances of that ever happening are zilch.
Otoh a trans female without a beard, more tricky.

Because they are different, simples. But you just wanted a nice dogwhistle to bring all the 'phobes to the yard.
Boring and immature.