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AIBU to hate the term mental load?

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YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:10

I cringe every time I read it, people lamenting that they can't cope with the mental load, partners aren't taking on an equal share of the mental load, argh! They're chores, household tasks, jobs. Mental load makes it sound like you're suffering from some kind of mental health issue rather than being dragged down by housework, stop it.

OP posts:
YeahIsaidit · 22/07/2023 18:13

So the mental load is thinking about things... Right...

As I've said I am aware that things would be slightly harder with multiple kids instead of one, however. Single parent, all the time, no packing DS off to his dad's every weekend (or ever) no days off, my time off from being mum was work which while he was small was part time in the evenings when my parents were cool enough to watch him.

Everything he needed, wanted to do, was invited to go to, had to do, appointments etc etc etc, fell to me, nobody else. All that as well as financially, nothing from his dad (one of the many things that made me see what a shite bag he was was when I asked him to pick up baby milk on his way to see him, I got the reply "get fucked why should I, I'm not coming now" ) and CMS would have been pointless as he worked cash in hand for his dad.

So I understand what this "mental load" is, it's just a bollocks term for shit you have to do with kids, sometimes it's a bit shit but making a song and dance over dryer filters and who remembers to get bin bags and the other myriad of petty ass shit that has been given as examples pisses me off. If OH isnt pulling their weight, they're shit. Don't blame society, don't say women are put upon and look around you. DH forgot to get loo roll?! Who gives a fuck

OP posts:
DrSbaitso · 22/07/2023 18:16

CMS would have been pointless as he worked cash in hand for his dad.

Side point but I hope you told HMRC.

SamanthaCaine · 22/07/2023 18:16

TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 22/07/2023 17:34

The exception doesn't make the rule.

My one DC had special needs. And my mental load was still far easier then.

We're talking about general situations, not finding reasons that don't apply to the standard situation and suggesting that makes the vast majority invalid.

You're the one dismissing and diminishing single parents and what they need to do with their child/children. It hugely patronising to suggest (as so many have here) that mental load only affects women in relationships and children.

So you found it easier. Others may not, hence the mountains and molehills comment.

There is no rule because everyone is different.

YeahIsaidit · 22/07/2023 18:18

DrSbaitso · 22/07/2023 18:16

CMS would have been pointless as he worked cash in hand for his dad.

Side point but I hope you told HMRC.

Nah, his dad is equally delightful, lost business eventually because of tax evasion 😂

OP posts:
YeahIsaidit · 22/07/2023 18:19

YeahIsaidit · 22/07/2023 18:18

Nah, his dad is equally delightful, lost business eventually because of tax evasion 😂

WHICH HONESTLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME!!

OP posts:
CurlewKate · 22/07/2023 18:23

Apparently, when a couple move in together, she takes on an extra 7 hours work in the home- he takes on 1 hour!

Tandora · 22/07/2023 18:27

YeahIsaidit · 22/07/2023 18:13

So the mental load is thinking about things... Right...

As I've said I am aware that things would be slightly harder with multiple kids instead of one, however. Single parent, all the time, no packing DS off to his dad's every weekend (or ever) no days off, my time off from being mum was work which while he was small was part time in the evenings when my parents were cool enough to watch him.

Everything he needed, wanted to do, was invited to go to, had to do, appointments etc etc etc, fell to me, nobody else. All that as well as financially, nothing from his dad (one of the many things that made me see what a shite bag he was was when I asked him to pick up baby milk on his way to see him, I got the reply "get fucked why should I, I'm not coming now" ) and CMS would have been pointless as he worked cash in hand for his dad.

So I understand what this "mental load" is, it's just a bollocks term for shit you have to do with kids, sometimes it's a bit shit but making a song and dance over dryer filters and who remembers to get bin bags and the other myriad of petty ass shit that has been given as examples pisses me off. If OH isnt pulling their weight, they're shit. Don't blame society, don't say women are put upon and look around you. DH forgot to get loo roll?! Who gives a fuck

I don’t understand what your point is? It is exhausting being the person who has to remember/ be responsible/ project manage everything. ( And that’s a lot easier to do for one person (/ child) than it is for a whole family by the way ). The admin for running a family with multiple members is relentless.
It’s also exhausting being the person in a partnership who has to instruct the other one what to do and how to do it all the time. That’s also work.
Whether you chose to recognise this, it is a structural problem, that women take on the vast majority of this unrecognised, unpaid and undervalued work, to the detriment of their mental and physical health, while men coast. You , and attitudes such as yours, are very much part of the problem.

lieselotte · 22/07/2023 18:37

These parents have clearly found a different solution to the issue of mental load:

https://twitter.com/Narkyoldbird/status/1682766189259370500

lieselotte · 22/07/2023 18:38

It says: "A friend has started a new job at a private school. Over the summer she is a House Mother for the boarders. Some of the kids have their own PA. They're 10 yrs old!

I don't whether to laugh or cry"

TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 22/07/2023 19:20

SamanthaCaine · 22/07/2023 18:16

You're the one dismissing and diminishing single parents and what they need to do with their child/children. It hugely patronising to suggest (as so many have here) that mental load only affects women in relationships and children.

So you found it easier. Others may not, hence the mountains and molehills comment.

There is no rule because everyone is different.

Oh dear. No. However, if that's all you can hear, despite the many many explanations, by many many posters, then there's not much any of us can do about that.

Fairislefandango · 22/07/2023 19:21

So I understand what this "mental load" is, it's just a bollocks term for shit you have to do with kids, sometimes it's a bit shit but making a song and dance over dryer filters and who remembers to get bin bags and the other myriad of petty ass shit that has been given as examples pisses me off. If OH isnt pulling their weight, they're shit. Don't blame society, don't say women are put upon and look around you. DH forgot to get loo roll?! Who gives a fuck?

So, essentially- 'Yes actually, I totally do understand what the mental load is, I do recognise it's a thing, and lots of women end up doing it all because lots of men are shit. And I know really that it's the cumulative effect of ALL of the gazillion tasks and responsibilities that makes it a burden, but I'm going to make it sound trivial by picking out individual things like the dryer filter. Anyway, I find the term annoying,so I'd like you all to shut up and stop saying it. You can call it something different, like "men being shit", but basically just accept it and stop whining, because it pisses me off. Ok?'

No, not ok.

TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 22/07/2023 19:29

As I've said I am aware that things would be slightly harder with multiple kids instead of one

Except this is what you aren't getting. It's not "slightly." It's ten fold.

Your whole lack of understanding is thinking you're doing the same, just ever so slightly less.

It's hugely different. Which despite the numerous people telling you, (including myself, who can draw a direct comparison as I was also a single mum with one DC) you still can't get it. You are not doing the same thing regarding mental load. Not even nearly.

This thread is pointless, as all anyone can do is keep trying to help you understand...you fail to do so, yet declare you do. Continue to announce how it's really nothing than people making a fuss. Rinse and repeat.

YeahIsaidit · 22/07/2023 19:55

I'm seeing what people are saying, as I've mentioned before, a lot of the examples given of this mental load are really really trivial. I get that it's cumulative but again, some of these things are wholly self inflicted, stressing over gifts for partner's family for example, what bearing does it have on you if the person who should be responsible for such things fails? Why are people thinking for the other adults? Why are you making yourself responsible for their things? Sure partnerships but you don't become an amalgamated blob of human with one brain when you're in a relationship.

If there are huge age gaps between kids I understand from a logistical point of view how it could be ten times harder with people needing to be in different places at the same time (school, nursery, college) but if they're within a couple of years of each other, is it that much harder? From about 3/4 - 10 (give or take a year or two) their needs aren't all that different outside of interests and clubs etc. But really is it not more double with practically more to do (more washing, cooking, packed lunches etc?)

A lot seems like added self made unnecessary stress

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TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 22/07/2023 22:12

I think you are cherry picking trivial examples, where people are literally saying "even stuff as trivial as birthday cards all adds up" to then say, "this is trivial" and then ignoring the many other posts with far more relative content and illustrative examples.

With regards to "what bearing does it have on you" if you don't send the birthday card to MIL, well, she thinks my own son didn't even bother and his wife didn't even remember or remind him. So she thinks worse of you both. If you don't pick up the dry cleaning, then DH goes to his meeting wearing the only suit he has left in the house, an old one, ill fitting and dishevelled, and presents like this in his meeting, the boss takes note, unfavourably. A couple of incidents could be the difference between two very similar candidates getting the promotion and not. If I don't think about the meetings DH has, and meal plan around what times he will be home, and ensure the right clothes are ready, we would rarely eat together, and he would be in a flap every morning. Interestingly he also has ADHD (hence I take almost the whole mental load, he just wouldn't remember things, and not for trying) and I actually tried explaining mental load to him about a month ago, and much like this thread, it was like I was speaking Russian.

I have twins. So the epitome of your example of two being the same age. It's not just double the practical stuff. That's not mental load. That's physical chores. And don't get me wrong, there are indeed two lunches to make, two bathes to take etc. But the mental load side is that boy was ill on his last jabs so didn't have them, so he needs rebooking, so I'll need someone to have her while I do that. And her friend has asked her to her party, so I need a present and outfit and need to be in the next town over for 12, and take him somewhere while we wait, but get back by 2.30 to take eldest DC to train station. So then twins will need tea, but eldest DC won't. I'll need to get the bedding washed when I get back, 4 sets, and even that is making sure I wash in the right order so the twins sets are dry by 6pm and while they're drying, DS's can start being washed. All whilst doing this, DH is hosting at the races for work clients, so he'll be back late and eating late, and won't be around to speak to the vicar about twins baptism, so I'll need to run the hoover round quickly now because once DTwins are in bed I can't. But I'll need to get our tea on now because I can't be cooking when the vicars here. It's having remembered to fill in all the forms for the vicar. And the form for boy twins rugby, plus I know he's grown out of the kit, so I'll need to have a look for that tomorrow...but only between 10 and 11 because MIL is coming for 2pm and I need to pick DH up from the station by then, but not forgetting boy twin will need to nap by then, but girl twin won't, so actually I'll drive to get the rugby uniform because that way he can sleep on the way back in the car and maybe I'll drive the long way back to make sure he's extra rested and not cranky when in laws arrive. But girl twin will be getting restless in the car that long, so remembering get the dvd player ready to take tonight, and charged up, so she's quiet while he sleeps, and then potentially we can drive straight to DH.... And so on, and so on. Everything has a knock on effect, and you suddenly have to re plan the whole day because one link in the chain changes. And when there are 5 links, this is frequently.

Do you see it's not just having two more pairs of shoes to put on, or breaks to make. It's the juggling and meticulous planning to make many things align. And align successfully, not just clusterfuck and bodge our way through life. It's a huge mental load. The physical doing part is the easy bit.

SamanthaCaine · 22/07/2023 22:25

And breathe.

You talk about cherry picking edge cases but not every husband has ADHD. Most husbands are perfectly capable of doing their fair share of stuff. The point is to not be a mug, share the management and planning of stuff and it would cease to be a burden.

Your life sounds complicated. Not everyone's is. I have two kids and had a fairly full schedule but revelled in it. There's stuff to do, noone is saying that there isn't but it affect people in different ways. Therefore it's difficult to truly quantify. Some might just bodge it and choose not to worry as worrying ultimately achieves nothing but bad health.

NewDogOwner · 22/07/2023 22:44

I like the term shitwork. It's not exactly the same thing but Victoria Smith uses it for the crappy load of stuff that women get stuck with.

TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 23/07/2023 07:33

SamanthaCaine · 22/07/2023 22:25

And breathe.

You talk about cherry picking edge cases but not every husband has ADHD. Most husbands are perfectly capable of doing their fair share of stuff. The point is to not be a mug, share the management and planning of stuff and it would cease to be a burden.

Your life sounds complicated. Not everyone's is. I have two kids and had a fairly full schedule but revelled in it. There's stuff to do, noone is saying that there isn't but it affect people in different ways. Therefore it's difficult to truly quantify. Some might just bodge it and choose not to worry as worrying ultimately achieves nothing but bad health.

Actually, I'm cherry picking nothing.

OP has ADHD. So I was acknowledging and comparing that.

Did you not read that either?

bussteward · 23/07/2023 07:43

The point is to not be a mug, share the management and planning of stuff and it would cease to be a burden.
Problem solved, women! Do you not think women have considered that this is the ideal outcome, and yet disproportionate burden of the mental load is still a widespread problem, so it’s an outcome but not the solution to get to that outcome.

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TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 22/07/2023 22:12

I think you are cherry picking trivial examples, where people are literally saying "even stuff as trivial as birthday cards all adds up" to then say, "this is trivial" and then ignoring the many other posts with far more relative content and illustrative examples.

With regards to "what bearing does it have on you" if you don't send the birthday card to MIL, well, she thinks my own son didn't even bother and his wife didn't even remember or remind him. So she thinks worse of you both. If you don't pick up the dry cleaning, then DH goes to his meeting wearing the only suit he has left in the house, an old one, ill fitting and dishevelled, and presents like this in his meeting, the boss takes note, unfavourably. A couple of incidents could be the difference between two very similar candidates getting the promotion and not. If I don't think about the meetings DH has, and meal plan around what times he will be home, and ensure the right clothes are ready, we would rarely eat together, and he would be in a flap every morning. Interestingly he also has ADHD (hence I take almost the whole mental load, he just wouldn't remember things, and not for trying) and I actually tried explaining mental load to him about a month ago, and much like this thread, it was like I was speaking Russian.

I have twins. So the epitome of your example of two being the same age. It's not just double the practical stuff. That's not mental load. That's physical chores. And don't get me wrong, there are indeed two lunches to make, two bathes to take etc. But the mental load side is that boy was ill on his last jabs so didn't have them, so he needs rebooking, so I'll need someone to have her while I do that. And her friend has asked her to her party, so I need a present and outfit and need to be in the next town over for 12, and take him somewhere while we wait, but get back by 2.30 to take eldest DC to train station. So then twins will need tea, but eldest DC won't. I'll need to get the bedding washed when I get back, 4 sets, and even that is making sure I wash in the right order so the twins sets are dry by 6pm and while they're drying, DS's can start being washed. All whilst doing this, DH is hosting at the races for work clients, so he'll be back late and eating late, and won't be around to speak to the vicar about twins baptism, so I'll need to run the hoover round quickly now because once DTwins are in bed I can't. But I'll need to get our tea on now because I can't be cooking when the vicars here. It's having remembered to fill in all the forms for the vicar. And the form for boy twins rugby, plus I know he's grown out of the kit, so I'll need to have a look for that tomorrow...but only between 10 and 11 because MIL is coming for 2pm and I need to pick DH up from the station by then, but not forgetting boy twin will need to nap by then, but girl twin won't, so actually I'll drive to get the rugby uniform because that way he can sleep on the way back in the car and maybe I'll drive the long way back to make sure he's extra rested and not cranky when in laws arrive. But girl twin will be getting restless in the car that long, so remembering get the dvd player ready to take tonight, and charged up, so she's quiet while he sleeps, and then potentially we can drive straight to DH.... And so on, and so on. Everything has a knock on effect, and you suddenly have to re plan the whole day because one link in the chain changes. And when there are 5 links, this is frequently.

Do you see it's not just having two more pairs of shoes to put on, or breaks to make. It's the juggling and meticulous planning to make many things align. And align successfully, not just clusterfuck and bodge our way through life. It's a huge mental load. The physical doing part is the easy bit.

Yes this is exactly it. I absolutely hear you and agree with you.

AnyOldThings · 23/07/2023 08:00

@YeahIsaidit If you’re diagnosed with ADHD I’d think you’d have more sympathy for the concept that just maybe not everyone’s brain works like yours.

The mental load to me means the pressure of always having to think & worry of everything e.g.:

Me:

  • is DD doing ok at college?
  • when does her next trip instalment need paying?
  • must arrange her bus pass
  • can we afford to save some spends for her trip?
  • keep checking for her next timetable as she worries about it and I need to support her.
  • is DH taking care of his health issue?
  • has he phoned the nurse to sort it?
  • he works away so I might need to sort his car insurance
  • is DH happy as his job is stressful
  • birthday coming up so need to plan
  • buy birthday decorations
  • wrap gifts
  • plan surprises
  • don’t forget to pick up cake
  • that leaking roof needs sorting
  • did we get the refund we were due?
  • the garden needs strimming.
  • need to get DD’s dress altered like I promised.
  • still some decorating to do - do I do it or book someone in.
  • can we afford the decorating?
  • that plug needs fixing
  • plan that weeks shopping / meals
  • is anyone bringing guests round this week as need to plan to feed them too.
  • need to phone family as not phoned in a while
  • menopause symptoms seem to be sneaking in, might need doctor.
  • need to clean bathroom.
  • works busy and stressful.
  • need to sort staff appraisals
  • must catch-up on 2 projects but never enough time in day.
  • shall I talk to my manager about x/y/z
  • need to plug in the adapter the WiFi provider sent but it means moving the tv and all wires to get to socket.
  • order clothes DD needs for college project.
  • need to get spare key cut.
  • need to measure for new curtains and order them.
  • DD had hospital appointments so I need to book off work but try not to leave them understaffed.
  • …… and about 3 x pages more but I’m getting tired of writing them down.

DH mental load:

  • go away to work knowing all other aspects of our life are taken care of.
  • move his dentist appointment

I’ve asked him. This is his right now!

So perhaps, just perhaps, to some people who don’t think like the OP, the mental load sums it up nicely.

I have days when the mental to do list in my head overwhelms me. And using the term mental load describes that overwhelm well to me so OP - YABU.

Fairislefandango · 23/07/2023 08:07

A lot seems like added self made unnecessary stress

What do you mean by that? That people are inventing pointless tasks they have no need to do?

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DrSbaitso · 23/07/2023 08:33

AnyOldThings · 23/07/2023 08:00

@YeahIsaidit If you’re diagnosed with ADHD I’d think you’d have more sympathy for the concept that just maybe not everyone’s brain works like yours.

The mental load to me means the pressure of always having to think & worry of everything e.g.:

Me:

  • is DD doing ok at college?
  • when does her next trip instalment need paying?
  • must arrange her bus pass
  • can we afford to save some spends for her trip?
  • keep checking for her next timetable as she worries about it and I need to support her.
  • is DH taking care of his health issue?
  • has he phoned the nurse to sort it?
  • he works away so I might need to sort his car insurance
  • is DH happy as his job is stressful
  • birthday coming up so need to plan
  • buy birthday decorations
  • wrap gifts
  • plan surprises
  • don’t forget to pick up cake
  • that leaking roof needs sorting
  • did we get the refund we were due?
  • the garden needs strimming.
  • need to get DD’s dress altered like I promised.
  • still some decorating to do - do I do it or book someone in.
  • can we afford the decorating?
  • that plug needs fixing
  • plan that weeks shopping / meals
  • is anyone bringing guests round this week as need to plan to feed them too.
  • need to phone family as not phoned in a while
  • menopause symptoms seem to be sneaking in, might need doctor.
  • need to clean bathroom.
  • works busy and stressful.
  • need to sort staff appraisals
  • must catch-up on 2 projects but never enough time in day.
  • shall I talk to my manager about x/y/z
  • need to plug in the adapter the WiFi provider sent but it means moving the tv and all wires to get to socket.
  • order clothes DD needs for college project.
  • need to get spare key cut.
  • need to measure for new curtains and order them.
  • DD had hospital appointments so I need to book off work but try not to leave them understaffed.
  • …… and about 3 x pages more but I’m getting tired of writing them down.

DH mental load:

  • go away to work knowing all other aspects of our life are taken care of.
  • move his dentist appointment

I’ve asked him. This is his right now!

So perhaps, just perhaps, to some people who don’t think like the OP, the mental load sums it up nicely.

I have days when the mental to do list in my head overwhelms me. And using the term mental load describes that overwhelm well to me so OP - YABU.

Why don't you delegate some of it to him?

I know you shouldn't have to, but it's the first step.

IdSell · 23/07/2023 09:06

So many of these examples are 'self inflicted'. It never crossed my mind to do birthday cards or presents for my husbands family. It wantn't a matter of me making a stance about it, it literally didn't occur to me to do it. My husband didn't seem to worry so why would I worry for him.

I don't bother with a lot of things SOME other women (and I think it mostly is women) bother with. Such as trying to make picture perfect christmases. I'd get the kids their pressies but wouldn't fuss about food or decorations . Maybe im just massively lazy 😅

I get that women probably 'worry' more. I think I worry more than my husband but I can hardly blame him or the rest of the males on the planet for that.

Work and chores should be split evenly obviously but an awful lot of the examples of mental load are things that people could choose not to do or things that only exist because of the temperament of the women (ie worrying or fussing / call it what you will)

Mumsnet likes to put the blame on men and I'm normally fully on board for that but Im not convinced about the mental loss thing being men's fault and not something that's largely self inflicted.

EXEPTIONS. Obviously some women's situations are extremely difficult for financial or health or whatever reasons.

I understand why some women would feel overwhelmed. I would too.

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