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This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

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orangeleavesinautumn · 18/07/2023 08:12

Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

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orangeleavesinautumn · 24/07/2023 16:49

Grannyolive · 24/07/2023 16:40

Greece gets wildfires every year. The fire in Rhodes is arson. The fire in Corfu is a rubbish tip that has been allowed to smoulder. If you did some proper digging and speak to people who actually live in these areas, then you would know

wildfires are normal

wildfires like THIS are not normal

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Daftasabroom · 24/07/2023 16:54

@Grannyolive climate change is leading to longer wildfire seasons length, wildfire frequency, and burned area. They are getting bigger and more intense, the location of wildfires is changing - now including the arctic tundra.

The Rhodes arson claims are unofficial speculation.

chaosmaker · 24/07/2023 17:20

@Grannyolive why do you think the Green party was set up? They've been around for longer than 2 years btw!

Chatillon · 24/07/2023 18:07

Grannyolive · 24/07/2023 16:40

Greece gets wildfires every year. The fire in Rhodes is arson. The fire in Corfu is a rubbish tip that has been allowed to smoulder. If you did some proper digging and speak to people who actually live in these areas, then you would know

It is true that we have had hot periods before the Industrial Revolution. It is true that forest fires are a natural thing. It is true the planet goes through natural cycles of cooling and heating up.

But can you comprehend the the possibilities of what may happen if these natural cycles are happening now bringing us back into a hot period

AND

Human made climate change through trapping CO2 in our atmosphere is real and we are orchestrating that at the same time?

Can you comprehend that?

Hint......Did see what I did with the word 'and'?

Daftasabroom · 24/07/2023 18:16

@Grannyolive

Climate change making wildfires in Mediterranean ‘larger, faster and harder to stop,’ says expert
Prof Guillermo Rein, professor of fire science, Imperial College London, said: “The combination of heat, wind and people in the Mediterranean is mortal. There have always been wildfires in the South but climate change is making them larger, faster, and harder to stop.

“The intense heat of the summer dries vegetation and makes it very flammable, easier to catch fire. A heat wave or an unusually hot summer leads to even more flammable forests.

“Strong winds greatly accelerate wildfire. The combination of wind and dry vegetation makes wildfires much faster. They become walls of flames that cannot be stopped by ground crews or slowed down by airtankers.

“Large wildfires might jump over firebreaks because of the intense heat they radiate over dozens of meters, and the flying embers that can carry flames kilometres away.

“Poor management of forests leads to increased fuel loads, vegetation of the most flammable type, and few or narrow firebreaks. This is unfortunate, because fire safety and ecology require determined and wise management of the forest.

“When all goes wrong, when dry vegetation is plentiful, there is wind and previous forest management was poor, then the fire brigades cannot do much, and evacuation of communities along the possible fire path must be evacuated with plenty of time to reach a safe place.”

Chatillon · 24/07/2023 18:18

@Daftasabroom What are you going on about?
Imperial College London does not exist. Trees do not exist. The South does not exist. All lies, lies, lies..........

😂

Daftasabroom · 24/07/2023 18:26

Now @Grannyolive climate change is explained largely through physics and chemistry. The same physics and chemistry that keeps planes in the air, cars on the road, holds buildings up, allows engineers to develop the Internet.

None of us get to choose when the laws of physics and chemistry apply, we can't decide they apply to buildings but not to aeroplanes. So the same physics and chemistry that applies to your kettle and your double glazing also applies to the earth as a whole.

It applies to climate and to weather systems.

It's real. If you're prepared to sacrifice your children's and grand children's future you might like to try explaining it to them.

Daftasabroom · 24/07/2023 18:54

@Chatillon some of those prizes are pure 🧨

helford · 24/07/2023 20:39

Grannyolive · 24/07/2023 16:40

Greece gets wildfires every year. The fire in Rhodes is arson. The fire in Corfu is a rubbish tip that has been allowed to smoulder. If you did some proper digging and speak to people who actually live in these areas, then you would know

Yes it does but their intensity and duration are far more extreme as they simply have more dry/dead vegetation to burn.

So its irrelevant how the fires started, they are far harder to put out.

Open your eyes! climate change is here, the evidence is all around us & its the rate of change that is terrifying, things that scientists said wouldn't happen until the next century are happening now, mankind is sleep walking towards its own destruction.

SunnyEgg · 24/07/2023 20:41

Daftasabroom · 24/07/2023 18:26

Now @Grannyolive climate change is explained largely through physics and chemistry. The same physics and chemistry that keeps planes in the air, cars on the road, holds buildings up, allows engineers to develop the Internet.

None of us get to choose when the laws of physics and chemistry apply, we can't decide they apply to buildings but not to aeroplanes. So the same physics and chemistry that applies to your kettle and your double glazing also applies to the earth as a whole.

It applies to climate and to weather systems.

It's real. If you're prepared to sacrifice your children's and grand children's future you might like to try explaining it to them.

@Grannyolive this is a good post. I know the pandemic approach was problematic but don’t let it dominate your ability to think based on evidence

Moonmelodies · 24/07/2023 20:46

Thankfully the area of wildfires has been declining over recent decades, so hopefully that trend will continue.
Some studies suggest we are enduring less wildfires across the globe now than at any time in the past 2000 years.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2015.0345?_ga=2.177194466.652435790.1690185116-1677141285.1690185116&_gl=1dlklmk_gaMTY3NzE0MTI4NS4xNjkwMTg1MTE2_ga_1L4MRBLQC4*MTY5MDE4NTExNi4xLjEuMTY5MDE4NTgzMy41MS4wLjA

midgetastic · 24/07/2023 20:54

www.imperial.ac.uk/news/241572/wildfires-becoming-more-dangerous-heres/amp/

Or Wildfires becoming bigger and more intense ?

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 09:25

Bringonthesunforthewashing · 18/07/2023 08:19

I was really scared last year, ended up going to hospital with heatstroke, I didn’t even go outside!

On the way to hospital the roads were melting, the whole thing was surreal.

The roads were melting in the heatwave of 1976. People were frying eggs on the car bonnet it was so hot.

midgetastic · 25/07/2023 09:43

Yes 1976 was hot

But most of that decade and the next decade things were not like that at all

Now every other year is like that

Surprised to find people prefer to hide head in sand then see what's happening with their own eyes

SpinCycles · 25/07/2023 10:59

It’s the other way around to me - climate crisis is going to necessitate defence and food / water / energy security

Due to mass displacement and fighting over scarcer resources

The public will only see the need when it’s on our doorstep but by then it’ll be very difficult. I’d get preparing

This is exactly what I was saying throughout the thread @SunnyEgg . But seems to be falling mostly on deaf ears.

Purplebunnie · 25/07/2023 11:02

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 09:25

The roads were melting in the heatwave of 1976. People were frying eggs on the car bonnet it was so hot.

Also drought conditions in 76 remember flushing loo in a pub with a bucket of water - and this was in Wales which is not normally short of a drop

Chatillon · 25/07/2023 11:37

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 09:25

The roads were melting in the heatwave of 1976. People were frying eggs on the car bonnet it was so hot.

@Grannyolive What are you talking about?

The year 1976 does not exist. If you look at any calendar the years jump from 1975 straight to 1977.

Further, people do not fry eggs! They boil, poach or scramble them. It’s not possible to fry eggs because they explode when the fat gets too hot.

You really need to sort fact from fiction.

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 13:09

Chatillon · 25/07/2023 11:37

@Grannyolive What are you talking about?

The year 1976 does not exist. If you look at any calendar the years jump from 1975 straight to 1977.

Further, people do not fry eggs! They boil, poach or scramble them. It’s not possible to fry eggs because they explode when the fat gets too hot.

You really need to sort fact from fiction.

I was there. My neighbour fried eggs on his bonnet to show how hot it was

You obviously weren’t alive then, plus you believe everything the media tells you

Think the covid fiasco

Chatillon · 25/07/2023 13:33

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 13:09

I was there. My neighbour fried eggs on his bonnet to show how hot it was

You obviously weren’t alive then, plus you believe everything the media tells you

Think the covid fiasco

Oh, I am pretty certain I am much older than you.
Why don't you answer my email from last night at 18:07.

SuePine69 · 25/07/2023 14:16

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 09:25

The roads were melting in the heatwave of 1976. People were frying eggs on the car bonnet it was so hot.

Britain didn't get to 40 degrees C in 1976. It did last year.

midgetastic · 25/07/2023 15:40

35.9 in 1976

That's huge difference

It's from below body to above body temperature

Daftasabroom · 25/07/2023 17:24

I've been looking at the rainfall records over the last 50 years. What's interesting is that in 1976 every month untill September was way below average, as in 1/2 or 1/5 etc. September onwards the rainfall was up to 4x average.

These extreme swings are exactly the predictions of climate scientists. 1976 was a forerunner of things to come.

Not situation normal and an argument against climate change. Much, much, the opposite.

Grannyolive · 25/07/2023 17:34

Chatillon · 25/07/2023 13:33

Oh, I am pretty certain I am much older than you.
Why don't you answer my email from last night at 18:07.

I haven’t received an e-mail from you. And I’m 70

Chatillon · 25/07/2023 17:50

Oh, let's not split grey hairs @Grannyolive . Look at my post at 18:07.

I'm 76 soon you whippersnapper!

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