This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

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Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

It’s been pissing it down all week in the UK so all the media can scare you with is how hot it is in other countries with their scary red weather maps that used to be green with the same temperatures! It’s so pathetic but people are falling for it! It’s called Summer.You go abroad to get hot weather. You have done it all your life…

But ULEZ isn’t about CO2 specifically. It’s about NO2 and particulate. Ironically building new cars instead of people driving older diesels may be worse for carbon footprint not better. ULEZ won’t be stopping heatwaves or forest fires.

Someone who can't tell the difference between temperatures in the 1970a and temperatures now
Who can't understand frequency and extremes
I won't be taking you seriously

Exactly, people don't seem to understand ULEZ

I don’t take people seriously who can’t think critically. Weather in individual locations at individual times isn’t climate. Except when it suits the agenda for it to be (ie it being very hot in a lot of Europe as the news is constantly leading on) The red weather maps thing is bonkers, there was one in the telegraph that said that it was between 25-30c in the U.K. last week which was clearly wrong so makes you wonder where else it was wrong Lies damage real factual messaging and we should all be expect better regardless of our viewpoint.

The reason China and India are mass polluters is because they make cheap shit we in the west buy.

Look at shein and temo etc

We need to stop all unnecessary purchases if we want to stop this and we need to buy from made in uk or at least Europe. This will
Cost a lot more money but it might bring some industry back to the country too.

In some parts of the UK it was... what is your point, exactly, are you saying it isn't hot in Europe?

No, it's because they have the two largest populations.

Per capita China is roughly the same as the UK and India about 1/3.

I didn’t say it wasn’t hot in Europe 😂😂🤡

I said it wasn’t 25-30 in the U.K. because it absolutely wasn’t. So I doubt the whole map was accurate. Fairly simple concept.

It actually said it was 30+ in some parts of the U.K. FWIW but I thought 25+ was daft enough based on where I live.

it was that temperature in the UK where I was

Just thinking about the current Rhodes threads and what might happen. Insurance apparently covers it but if that becomes too high cost it might not.

People don’t like to lose money. One thing I’ve noticed is insurance has a good way of changing behaviour

You’re right. I first took climate change seriously after I met with an old friend who’s an actuary. He said that the escalating risk of claims due to the increasing frequency of extreme weather events was going to massively hike premiums, and it’s now happening.

it would make a difference to the millions of animals murdered each year if nothing else

Interesting. Premium hikes will take some out but removing it as covered would just change it drastically.

Not everywhere but maybe places too high risk.

Global territories like China would sharp make a change if people stopped buying their stuff because of the impact

Each and every person who changes pushes the environmental movement forward and the people who made changes 30 years ago have bought you sone time to make your changes

A heatwave would be lovely the weather is miserable now last July /August was wonderful and really improved many people's physical and mental health.

How many people want to grow their own food?
How many could actually do it, given modern housing has no garden usable for growing?
How many will adjust their circumstances so that little Jenny walks to school and not be driven on the way to work?
How many will go back to washing clothes once a week?
Bath on Sunday ?
Avoid all imported foods?
Eat locally grown, seasonal foods only?
Buying minimal goods for celebration, Christmas, birthday, mothers Day, handmade gifts rather than buying tat, huge amounts of toys?
Recycling, glass bottles returned for pennies, paper, tin, etc.
Heat one room although costs mean this for many already

Unfortunately, we all see the problems brewing as somebody else's to fix.

Although the best one I've heard, you'll love this:

'it's all decided by the global elite, they choose the weather, and spray to produce it. The 'elites' are doing this to control people in the same way they did with covid, its all coming out that they do this'

I walked away. These people walk amongst us and can vote.

Add to this that the likes of the GFANZ, NZAM, UN PRI (who's participants control something obscene like $300 trillion worth of assets under their management) are publicly stating they won't release capital to companies who cannot evidence they are on a net zero pathway and you better believe things are serious.

If the money men and women at the top, who care only for profit, are including climate change / net zero criteria in their investment decisions then there is no arguement about whether climate change is real and a risk to us all.

To add a positive note which seems to be missing here - the UK is making massive efforts in renewables projects. There are huge and innovative projects being put together to reduce reliance on oil and gas that the general public (and pressure groups) won’t be aware of at this stage. Huge projects.

Certain posters seem intent on putting the UK effort down when we are definitely trying to improve, often more so than other countries.

IMHO it is rampant capitalism that has caused the issue, from the environment to mental health. Affluenza. I’ve been sucked up into it too, but trying to extrapolate myself.

Hmm not sure I agree with that. I work for a renewable energy company and all of our expansion plans are focused on the EU and America because the tories are so opposed to on-shore wind and so indecisive over other renewable technologies (no decision to be made on green hydrogen for heating until at least 2026 for example). Obviously anticipating a change in government soon but labour aren't seen as being much better.

Battery storage facilities are growing well AFAIK but honestly, from what I've seen so far, it's like the wild west with those and they badly need better regulating.

Much of the improvements aren't being driven by the government, they're mostly seen as a hindrance, it's investors and corporate clients that are pushing for change in my experience.

Me too on last line. I’d say I’ve pretty done it and am ok.

This was on another thread

‘And the facts and data show that CO2 emissions in the U.K. have been reduced faster here than by everyone else in the entire world except for two other smaller countries.’

https://www.ft.com/content/3a27be9b-e4b7-4961-bf33-f07734042a96

And the facts and data show that CO2 emissions in the U.K. have been reduced faster here than by everyone else in the entire world except for two other smaller countries.

That is excellent news. It really is.

It is not to be taken in a vacuum though. How much do British consumers import from countries that score very badly?