This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

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Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

You appear to have missed the words "slow and sustainable" in my rather short post.

We need to manage our population decline, because it does need to reduce. However the population falling off a cliff edge will be just as disastrous as continuing to allow it to grow.

Again, we need a slow and sustainable long-term decrease.

I am certain the science is there.

There just needs to be the will. Trouble is that so many of the super rich and political leaders have got where they are because they are sociopaths.

We shouldn't be giving excessive medical care to 70+ age people, I'm nearing that age and don't want or expect medical interventions to keep me alive

You don’t think last year ‘was out of the ordinary’? I mean, it Literally Was ‘Out Of The Ordinary’.
Sheesh.

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Ah. The Rishi Sunak keep your fingers crossed that science will save us approach. Meanwhile ignore the advice from experts about what we know could actually help. Good plan!

Absolutely agree.

The world cannot continue with a population explosion just to deal with care and pensions.

Unfortuantely it requires radical change in the entire global system of consumerism. And when so many ordinary people are being so badly stretched, they're not going to vote for what is required. The most effective way is to stop buying so much stuff - and especially stuff made in the far East and shipped across the world. Well, good luck trying to buy anything that isn't made (in full or part) in China and the like. And the wealthy aren't going to do what they could to help (such as stop using private jets, for example). I simply cannot see enough people collectively taking the necessary action to make any difference. I'm left hoping for some kind of scientific miracle.

We only have ourselves to blame. We’ve polluted and plundered a lot of the earths resources, now it’s payback for Mother Nature until we change our ways but I fear it’s already too late.

Yeah, that wasn’t me that said it - I was questioning it as the pp seemed to be ignoring the issue, amongst other things, of methane

I shouldn't worry from what I saw regarding the care given to my parents that won't be an issue. My dad had cancer when he was 69, needed a stem cell transplant which meant he was waiting for a special infection control barrier room to become available for a 6 week period. Waited months. Turned 70 while waiting, so was then told he was too old and died a while later.

Some people on mumsnet must be SO disappointed that we haven't got this massive heatwave in the UK that they've got in Europe - and elsewhere over the world... Nothing to complain about at the moment have they ??? Oh maybe the rain - let's complain about the rain a bit ... even though there's hardly been any really.

Have we had a 'have you got your heating on' thread this week? NO? You're slipping folks... 😆

Especially when we could if we wanted/needed increase immigration into this country, allow those immigrants to work and become useful, productive residents of this country/other western countries. Especially when they may need to flee their countries due to climate change.

We only have ourselves to blame. We’ve polluted and plundered a lot of the earths resources, now it’s payback for Mother Nature until we change our ways but I fear it’s already too late.

I don't mean to criticise and I'm not attacking you, but I see this all the time on social media and it makes me mad. This fatalistic, self flagellating "We're fucked and we only have ourselves to blame" etc etc. It's like throwing in the towel.

No I don't blame myself! I am doing what I can. I blame governments and big business who have done fuck all to address the issue, despite being party to information that most people know very little about. They have actively chosen to do nothing about it. I blame them.

Agreed. This sort of thing makes me really angry as it's so unnecessary and self-indulgent, plus people like that tend to be smug about it too, as they consider themselves super house-proud.

I'm not perfect - I fly and eat meat - but I don't have a car, don't have kids, use heating minimally, no air-con, hardly ever use tumble dryer.

I remember going to stay in a friend's parents' holiday house and they had the heating on high, even though they hadn't been there for weeks, just so they didn't have to put up with it being cold for half an hour when they first got there. So selfish.

The world as we know it and human life may well end in our children’s lifetime. It’s sad no one with any power wants to address that and try and stave off the worst. However - there was never a point in human history when we didn’t think the world was ending soon. That we’re likely right now is sad, but we aren’t living with an unheard of existential threat; fear of annihilation is a bedrock of human life.

If you eat meat, don't pretend to care about this. You will look stupid.

Indeed you also have idiots elite like Lewis Hamilton who bangs on about climate change whilst doing his massively polluting job, and jetting about to events like new York fashion week the day after a race.

I am not sure why the sarcasm? I posted a link to an actual joint country science project, that is currently being brought up to temperature, and will be producing energy in a decade.

This style of energy has one by product, inert gas Helium. So no carbion dioxide, or other harmful and hard to manage by products.

You can cary on 'not ignoring the advice' and I will stick with the science thank you.

So yes, I would say that is a good plan. Not sure why politics was brought into it.

Glad I amused you. But it's the way I was brought up. I love my meat and my mam included it in every meal. Nothing wrong with that 🤷‍♀️

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You have a fair point there, it’s one of the reasons I went vegan but also ethical. Just need to add - be prepared for the pile-on..

First one already 😂😂

I so agree with this. I don't understand why they are doing it, when office space is so expensive to rent and to run. There's not even a business case for it most of the time.

My employer isn't insisting on people going back. Some teams go in more than others, where they found that they missed out on a lot of informal info sharing when working wholly from home, and people whose home environment isn't conducive to working from home effectively are going in more, but there's been no pressure.

My team will never go back to office working. We can manage double the caseload we had pre-pandemic, because we're not driving all over the place to see clients but doing stuff by phone wherever possible, and not subject to the endless distractions of other people's chatter. My car use has been reduced by more than 50%.

I think that all those companies, pension funds and influential individuals who have a financial interest in people using offices are behind the drive to get people back into offices. Converting those buildings into desperately needed housing wouldn't be anywhere near as lucrative.

I think your comment is pretty stupid

Glad I amused you. But it's the way I was brought up. I love my meat and my mam included it in every meal. Nothing wrong with that

Well there is something wrong with that actually.

But I get the feeling you will get angry and defensive when that's pointed out.