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Is this acceptable for a cleaner?

129 replies

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:09

Hi all
I am a cleaner and considering dropping a client I have had for over a year because of the worsening conditions of her house. I go to her 6 hours one week to clean/tidy and 2 hours the other week just to tidy. The house has always been very unkept, meaning there is mess EVERYWHERE and I know she struggles. I have always been happy to help tidy but it has taken a turn in the past 3 months and there are issues I’m finding it hard to ignore and I’m beginning to dread the job.

1.	There are dirty nappies and bed pads all over her bedroom and the kids’ room. I pick up about 10 each time and the smell of urine in the kids’ room is so strong.
2.	There are a crazy amount of half drunk cups of coffee all over the house and plates of food, many are mouldy by the time I visit!
3.	All 4 toilets are constantly unflushed and covered in hardened skids. I understand that I am a cleaner but this is like the toilet brush hasn’t been touched in 2 weeks. I understand the odd wee or little skid left sometimes, we are all human and she has children. But surely it shouldn’t be left like this for weeks? Sometimes there are tampons and blood in/on the toilet too.
4.	She rarely changes the bedsheets and I have taken it upon myself to start doing it recently. Weirdly, she does her own more often than the children’s. I sometimes go to change them and she stops me, saying she’ll do it herself, but she never does. She leaves it about 2 months between changes unless I can do it. Her 3 year old girl doesn’t have a pillow case on her pillow and it is covered in yellow sweat stains. She doesn’t even have a flat sheet on the mattress and instead sleeps on the same fleece blanket. I changed the sheets recently with her permission and her children were ridiculously excited about it, is this normal? 
5.	The sink is constantly full of food and stinks. I have to clean out the plug hole every 2 weeks with baking soda as she must be pushing all the food down there
6.	The bedroom floors are covered in clothes and I have to spend ages sorting through clean/dirty because I can’t put them together. The rest of the house is always strewn with clothes too.
7.	This isn’t relevant to cleaning but she also has a long hair cat that is extremely matted and looks like it has an eye infection. The cat is lovely and follows me around and I would love to be able to take it to the groomers to make it more comfortable. I can’t say anything in case I offend her…

This is not a deprived family. Her and her husband both work from home for a tech company and have a 5 bed house with 2 new BMWs on the drive.

Is this normal, do some people live like this? I have never had another client who does anything like this. I grew up in a messy house but it was always generally clean and having pillow/mattress protectors and my sheets changed every 2 weeks was normal. She also has her 8 year old boy and 3 year old girl sharing the same small bedroom, when she has 3 unused spare rooms. Do lots of people do this? Im not a parent myself. Am I being nosey and sensitive to being concerned about all this?

We get on very well, almost to a friend level, and always have personal catch-ups when I go. We have spoken openly about the disorganisation and chaos in the house and I have offered to come multiple times to help declutter and organise outside of my usual hours. Whenever she books me for this, she cancels last minute. I have tried to organise small areas if I ever have extra time but it never stays that way so I have given up.

In conversation, I told her about my mum’s ADHD diagnosis which has helped her to keep on top of things. She seemed to identify with it and later asked me about the process of getting assessed. She said she would look into an assessment but hasn’t mentioned it since. I don’t want to pry and ask again as I don’t want her to think I’m diagnosing her but I am sure she is struggling with something mentally.

I guess my issue is that I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle and I am the one holding the house together, which feels like a huge responsibility. I know she doesn’t do any cleaning or tidying between my visits and how much she depends on me to reset the house each week. I hate to think the condition it will slip into if I drop her as a client.

A few weeks ago, she let me know her brother’s family were coming to housesit for the week whilst they were on holiday. I went on the day they left to prepare the house and when I arrived, the house was in complete disgusting chaos as usual. I thought to myself, ‘what if I was sick, what if I wasn’t able to come to clean? Would she just have let her brother stay in the house in that condition?’

I also feel it has gotten worse recently because she has become more comfortable with me seeing her mess and has let it slip, making me do more. Almost like ‘ah the cleaner will sort that’ mentality. Are her and her husband taking the mickey leaving me to deal with and see all of this?

Thoughts? She clearly needs help but it is becoming a lot for me.

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Babsexxx · 16/07/2023 15:18

yuk no way she needs a daily cleaner if she cannot keep ontop of it! I’d be out like a shot! Or charge her a lot more I’ve heard that some with these issues and hoarding really don’t see it as we do! Terrifying!

FoodFann · 16/07/2023 15:21

Sounds like quite serious neglect to those poor kids to me. I’d be tempted to tell social services 🤷🏼‍♀️

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 16/07/2023 15:22

I would ring social services.

Supertayto · 16/07/2023 15:22

Oh my goodness. You sound like a very lovely and conscientious person. Your client is absolutely taking the piss and/or is not very well. I don’t think you’d be unreasonable to drop her as a client on the basis of the dirty nappies, bed pads and unflushed toilets. Cleaning and tidying is one thing, dealing with personal waste because someone can’t be bothered to dispose of it is another thing entirely. I was fortunate to have a cleaner growing up and now fortunate to have one as an adult and wouldn’t dream of doing this. Your cleaner provides a re-set and a baseline for you to continue with. Good grief.

RedHelenB · 16/07/2023 15:24

if she wasn't rich and that was the living conditions in a council flat, then she'd be reported to Social services. Are the kids at private school?

ZenNudist · 16/07/2023 15:25

I tidy for my cleaner. They are only there to clean.

I'd drop her. The urine thing is disgusting as is leaving her cups everywhere like you're her servant.

Dammitthisisshit · 16/07/2023 15:25

I’m embarrassed about how little we do between our cleaner coming each week - and the house is disorganised. But what they are leaving is another level! (You mention her but say they both work so this is a couple that are leaving this - it’s not all down to the female of the relationship). You should not have to clean up any bodily fluids apart from an odd child issue accidentally left in the toilet.

for example my cat was sick when our cleaner was here last week - I obviously cleaned this up myself as I wouldn’t have dreamt of getting her to do it.

Bumble84 · 16/07/2023 15:26

Some people do live like this and it is heartbreaking, more so as children live there. I am surprised that she is happy for a cleaner to come into the house however as most people who live this way are very secretive. I’ll bet money on her and the kids being well turned out when they go outside so no-one would ‘know’

If it’s as bad as you say I would also seriously consider a call to social work.

Sausagesandpeas · 16/07/2023 15:28

Please call social care. You can do so anonymously. The children deserve better

Fallenangelofthenorth · 16/07/2023 15:30

I do know people who live almost as bad as this. A couple of families spring to mind. They too are really successful professionally and incredibly intelligent, they are just shit at organisation within the home. Would you be prepared to continue if your hours were increased to weekly? And/or a premium rate?

I can understand in a way how things can get so bad in a fortnight as I've noticed in my own home, once I allow a mess to start it very quickly escalates. I loath cleaning and tidying myself, and have to make a massive effort to not let things get too bad. Unflushed toilets and piss filled nappies are extreme though.

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:31

Hi all, I have considered that but honestly taking children away from their families is much more damaging than living like this and I wouldn't want to get involved in that capacity

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Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:32

Yes I was ok with tidying up general mess. She works full time and has two kids so I understand. But the food/nappies etc is just too much now! Any thoughts on the cat?

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Fraaahnces · 16/07/2023 15:34

You know it’s not normal. Call DSS and report her for neglecting the kids.

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:34

RedHelenB · 16/07/2023 15:24

if she wasn't rich and that was the living conditions in a council flat, then she'd be reported to Social services. Are the kids at private school?

No they aren't at private school. I really can't tell if it's bad enough for social services. I mean they have food, beds, parents at home. The kids seem happy

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WaltzingWaters · 16/07/2023 15:36

Sausagesandpeas · 16/07/2023 15:28

Please call social care. You can do so anonymously. The children deserve better

This.

then leave. It’s disgusting.

WithIcePlease · 16/07/2023 15:37

Not acceptable for a cleaner. As above, I make sure the decks are all clear for my cleaner and tell her to leave DC's rooms if they are not tidy enough to clean.
That's a disgusting state.

StarchySturgess1 · 16/07/2023 15:37

That won't happen, particularly not anywhere in the near future, honestly.

If you do an anon MASH report and say you're concerned about the environment the children are living in then social services will send someone over bed they will support the parents. Best case scenario they get a visit and a chat and it gives them a reality check/kick up the arse to sort it.

Growing up in these conditions will impact the children a lot, it's really quite important that they don't live like this for longer, it will impact their physical and mental health.

Could you maybe re jig your hours or up them so they're more evenly spread over the week?

TheCovidHalfStone · 16/07/2023 15:37

She sounds like she needs more help, some of which you may be willing to give (like taking the act to get groomed). Do you have time to off more hours, and could you offer a sort of housekeeping/PA role during those hours? You’re totally within your rights to draw the line wherever you like though, and to say that you won’t deal with nappies/bed pads anymore and that you will need her to let you keep the kids space/beds to a certain standard.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 16/07/2023 15:37

The cat really needs to go to the vet and groomer. They're probably ashamed it's got so bad, but that's really not fair on the cat. I understand it's a difficult conversation, but would you be able to bring it up? The matted fur will just get worse, and eye infection unlikely to heal itself I'd have thought? I'd be worried it's not up to date with worming and flea treatment too.

It sounds chaotic and no, it's not your responsibility, but I'd worry about what will happen if you don't say anything? Because I imagine they don't let many people into their home if it's such a state?

LunchBoxPolice · 16/07/2023 15:41

I was a cleaner and one of my customer’s homes was so similar to what you’ve described, for a moment I thought it could be the same family. There was always a strong smell of urine and unwrapped, used sanitary items in the open bin next to the toilet. I gave polite feedback asking them to clear these items before I arrived, but they never did, so in the end I told them I didn’t have the time for their home any more.

Cosyblankets · 16/07/2023 15:42

No one is too busy to flush their own toilet

Fallenangelofthenorth · 16/07/2023 15:46

Cosyblankets · 16/07/2023 15:42

No one is too busy to flush their own toilet

I think these things become normal. I remember years ago I stayed at a school friend's house overnight and they had a rule that you weren't allowed to flush the toilet in the night. I remember using the toilet in the morning and it seemed full to the brim with bright yellow piss 🤢

strawberry2017 · 16/07/2023 15:46

Quite frankly that's just f**king disgusting and I would be telling her that and dropping her as a client.

pinkkpanther · 16/07/2023 15:46

This is not acceptable whatsoever. I would drop her as a client asap. I think she's taking the mickey. Absolute laziness

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:47

Unfortunately if I report it, it'll be far too obvious it was me and I don't want to deal with the fallout.
We live in the same village, bump into eachother often, and she is friends with my other clients. I have suggested going to her for an hour every morning instead but she wants the house done all in one go and has said she can't afford for me to come any more often. I am not the person to say what people should spend their money on but there are constantly fancy bottles of wine in the house, new deliveries coming through the door and new cosmetics on her dressing table though so I am sure they aren't skint but instead they just don't want to pay any more.

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