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Is this acceptable for a cleaner?

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Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:09

Hi all
I am a cleaner and considering dropping a client I have had for over a year because of the worsening conditions of her house. I go to her 6 hours one week to clean/tidy and 2 hours the other week just to tidy. The house has always been very unkept, meaning there is mess EVERYWHERE and I know she struggles. I have always been happy to help tidy but it has taken a turn in the past 3 months and there are issues I’m finding it hard to ignore and I’m beginning to dread the job.

1.	There are dirty nappies and bed pads all over her bedroom and the kids’ room. I pick up about 10 each time and the smell of urine in the kids’ room is so strong.
2.	There are a crazy amount of half drunk cups of coffee all over the house and plates of food, many are mouldy by the time I visit!
3.	All 4 toilets are constantly unflushed and covered in hardened skids. I understand that I am a cleaner but this is like the toilet brush hasn’t been touched in 2 weeks. I understand the odd wee or little skid left sometimes, we are all human and she has children. But surely it shouldn’t be left like this for weeks? Sometimes there are tampons and blood in/on the toilet too.
4.	She rarely changes the bedsheets and I have taken it upon myself to start doing it recently. Weirdly, she does her own more often than the children’s. I sometimes go to change them and she stops me, saying she’ll do it herself, but she never does. She leaves it about 2 months between changes unless I can do it. Her 3 year old girl doesn’t have a pillow case on her pillow and it is covered in yellow sweat stains. She doesn’t even have a flat sheet on the mattress and instead sleeps on the same fleece blanket. I changed the sheets recently with her permission and her children were ridiculously excited about it, is this normal? 
5.	The sink is constantly full of food and stinks. I have to clean out the plug hole every 2 weeks with baking soda as she must be pushing all the food down there
6.	The bedroom floors are covered in clothes and I have to spend ages sorting through clean/dirty because I can’t put them together. The rest of the house is always strewn with clothes too.
7.	This isn’t relevant to cleaning but she also has a long hair cat that is extremely matted and looks like it has an eye infection. The cat is lovely and follows me around and I would love to be able to take it to the groomers to make it more comfortable. I can’t say anything in case I offend her…

This is not a deprived family. Her and her husband both work from home for a tech company and have a 5 bed house with 2 new BMWs on the drive.

Is this normal, do some people live like this? I have never had another client who does anything like this. I grew up in a messy house but it was always generally clean and having pillow/mattress protectors and my sheets changed every 2 weeks was normal. She also has her 8 year old boy and 3 year old girl sharing the same small bedroom, when she has 3 unused spare rooms. Do lots of people do this? Im not a parent myself. Am I being nosey and sensitive to being concerned about all this?

We get on very well, almost to a friend level, and always have personal catch-ups when I go. We have spoken openly about the disorganisation and chaos in the house and I have offered to come multiple times to help declutter and organise outside of my usual hours. Whenever she books me for this, she cancels last minute. I have tried to organise small areas if I ever have extra time but it never stays that way so I have given up.

In conversation, I told her about my mum’s ADHD diagnosis which has helped her to keep on top of things. She seemed to identify with it and later asked me about the process of getting assessed. She said she would look into an assessment but hasn’t mentioned it since. I don’t want to pry and ask again as I don’t want her to think I’m diagnosing her but I am sure she is struggling with something mentally.

I guess my issue is that I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle and I am the one holding the house together, which feels like a huge responsibility. I know she doesn’t do any cleaning or tidying between my visits and how much she depends on me to reset the house each week. I hate to think the condition it will slip into if I drop her as a client.

A few weeks ago, she let me know her brother’s family were coming to housesit for the week whilst they were on holiday. I went on the day they left to prepare the house and when I arrived, the house was in complete disgusting chaos as usual. I thought to myself, ‘what if I was sick, what if I wasn’t able to come to clean? Would she just have let her brother stay in the house in that condition?’

I also feel it has gotten worse recently because she has become more comfortable with me seeing her mess and has let it slip, making me do more. Almost like ‘ah the cleaner will sort that’ mentality. Are her and her husband taking the mickey leaving me to deal with and see all of this?

Thoughts? She clearly needs help but it is becoming a lot for me.

OP posts:
Scuttlingherbert · 16/07/2023 15:47

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:31

Hi all, I have considered that but honestly taking children away from their families is much more damaging than living like this and I wouldn't want to get involved in that capacity

I make social services referrals a few times a year in my job, and in about 15 years, there's only one time the children were taken away and that time there was severe violence.

It's usually about seeing what additional support can be offered.

Re the cleaning:
I would be tempted to put in some boundaries so they don't just put more and more normal hygiene/daily living tasks onto you (eg saying you'll no longer clean bedrooms unless dirty nappies have been removed).

Daphnis156 · 16/07/2023 15:47

This sounds very bad, and not at all tasks for a cleaner.
You yourself may be open to getting infected.
For your own good, leave.

As for the children, well in the end you just can't save everyone, and you don't want to report it. Very sad.

TheWayoftheLeaf · 16/07/2023 15:48

That's disgusting. Yes you can quit.

Dirt, dust or mess is fine. Blood shit and piss is a dangerous biohazard and NOT YOUR JOB.

You're a cleaner not a specialist biohazard cleaner. Good god I'd be ashamed if I'd even left wee in the loo before my cleaner came. Or mouldy plates. How horrific.

Also are you in south London? I need a cleaner and always tidy and never leave any bodily fluids anywhere!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/07/2023 15:49

My next door neighbour three houses ago was like this ( never went upstairs so can’t speak about the bedrooms). Even the stairs were covered with piles of stuff, the kitchen was piled with stuff including the cats litter tray on the work surface, 🤢, the downstairs loo was such that you would be sure to go before leaving your own home.

She was a pleasant, well educated, interesting woman ( her DH was a bit of a todger, though, very argumentative). We eventually had to stop accepting invitations there, one felt as if you would have food poisoning from the cups!
Eventually her child was hospitalised with mental health problems and physical neglect.

Basically this level of problem is beyond you to solve, and I think that your efforts to stick your finger in the dyke are just postponing the day of reckoning for those poor children ( and the cat).

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:49

TheWayoftheLeaf · 16/07/2023 15:48

That's disgusting. Yes you can quit.

Dirt, dust or mess is fine. Blood shit and piss is a dangerous biohazard and NOT YOUR JOB.

You're a cleaner not a specialist biohazard cleaner. Good god I'd be ashamed if I'd even left wee in the loo before my cleaner came. Or mouldy plates. How horrific.

Also are you in south London? I need a cleaner and always tidy and never leave any bodily fluids anywhere!

Haha I am not I'm about 30 miles north of London!

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TheWayoftheLeaf · 16/07/2023 15:51

@Lilly0909 damnit!! Oh well, good luck

FOJN · 16/07/2023 15:53

There is a lot of emphasis in on the woman in the household struggling to be organised but there is also a man living there who doesn't appear to do anything either, it's possible that neither of them mind living this way.

I think you could risk a very frank conversation if you are considering dropping your client. I think it's reasonable to say that the dirty nappies, unflushed toilets and mouldy food are unacceptable and you are not prepared to continue to deal with it. I would also point out that few cleaners will be prepared to put up with it so if you leave she will struggle to find a replacement.

I would tell her the cat needs to go to the groomers and a vet and that she is neglecting it. If you are planning to leave they why worry about offending her. Maybe she doesn't know how to care for the cat and it would be helpful to tell her.

If you want to continue to help you could tell her you need more hours to stay on top of things but it already sounds like you are taking on too much responsibility for trying to keep some sort of order in the house so on balance it may be better for you to walk away.

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 16/07/2023 15:55

I'd make my excuses that you have picked up more cleaning jobs and don't have time for their house anymore.
I wouldn't for a second tolerate that. That is vile.

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:57

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/07/2023 15:49

My next door neighbour three houses ago was like this ( never went upstairs so can’t speak about the bedrooms). Even the stairs were covered with piles of stuff, the kitchen was piled with stuff including the cats litter tray on the work surface, 🤢, the downstairs loo was such that you would be sure to go before leaving your own home.

She was a pleasant, well educated, interesting woman ( her DH was a bit of a todger, though, very argumentative). We eventually had to stop accepting invitations there, one felt as if you would have food poisoning from the cups!
Eventually her child was hospitalised with mental health problems and physical neglect.

Basically this level of problem is beyond you to solve, and I think that your efforts to stick your finger in the dyke are just postponing the day of reckoning for those poor children ( and the cat).

Thank you but it is not to this level! It is not a hoarding situation, you can access all areas but it is just like everything that was used that week has not been put away and has been thrown around the house. Take a normal, tidy house with 2 children, then don't do ANYTHING for a week and that's what it's like. Maybe it's less of a case of severe neglect and more of laziness on the parents' part. The kitchen isn't piled high, they clearly load the dishwasher after they've eaten but the sides/sink don't get cleaned at all and random plates are forgotten around the house

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Nodancingshoes · 16/07/2023 15:59

Are you my sisters cleaner? She rarely changes beds (if ever??) and her toilets are always blocked and dirty. And yet, she is very well off and owns her own business. Her house makes me wants to scrub myself in the shower for hours when I've been in it. Honestly, some people do live like this but she is royally taking the piss. If you are on friendly terms, I would set some ground rules. You won't pick up dirty nappies and pads anymore and you expect the toilets to be flushed at a minimum. Are the children generally clean? Do you have to clean up mess from the cat? She needs a reality check and if you feel able, maybe you should do this.

noglow · 16/07/2023 16:00

Take photos. Leave. Report to social services.

Purpledaisies4 · 16/07/2023 16:02

I used to nanny for a family with 4 children. Their house was very very similar to what you discrbe. He worked as a legal professional & she was at home for a while after having the children (years not weeks). It was a state even once the kids were all in school/ nursery/ having me to look after the kids.
The kitchen was filthy, dirty dishes everywhere every day, sides never wiped & don't get me started on the fridge. Recycling & rubbish everywhere. The sofa & carpets weren't even fit for the tip, they stank. Beds were very rarely changed & the bedroom floors were covered in clothes. Kids never really bathed or showered but she always made them wash faces in the morning & wash hands when home from school. It got even worse when they got 2 very long haird dogs that used to leave fur everywhere + made the house smell even worse.
The couple went away for a couple of weeks & I stayed with the kids, I scrubbed the house from top to bottom & spent ages, hours infact hoovering, a week after they were back it was back to a pig sty. I have low standards but this was something else. They weren't short of a few quid either so could have afforded a cleaner.

LauraNorda · 16/07/2023 16:02

I'd up your prices by a considerable percentage and maybe add on a couple of hours too.

Ignore the handwringers that want you to grass to the SS. It will be obvious it was you and you run the risk of losing other clients as no-one wants a snoop in their house.

Gothambutnotahamster · 16/07/2023 16:02

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 16/07/2023 15:22

I would ring social services.

Me too. This is totally not normal. Sounds like there might be quite serious mental health issues going on and if there isn't, then she needs a daily house cleaner (for about 5 hours per day from the sounds of it!)

GameOverBoys · 16/07/2023 16:03

Interesting that you say both of them work from home but you make no mention of what the man is or isn’t doing. Why is it just women that should be cleaning and tidying?

Oceanus · 16/07/2023 16:04

There are dirty nappies and bed pads all over her (...)
Get a new client and then move on. Who the eff leaves nappies all over the place?!

noglow · 16/07/2023 16:05

GameOverBoys · 16/07/2023 16:03

Interesting that you say both of them work from home but you make no mention of what the man is or isn’t doing. Why is it just women that should be cleaning and tidying?

I assumed that was because she is the named client but yes good point OP. Is the bloke not flushing his shit either?

FofB · 16/07/2023 16:05

What about reporting to the children's school via the safeguarding email? Then it may appear that the kids have said something to a teacher?

The bit that stood out was the little girl was ridiculously excited about getting clean sheets.

THisbackwithavengeance · 16/07/2023 16:06

You are too emotionally involved.

Go in house. Wear gloves. Clean and tidy for 6 hours. Get your money. Leave house.

Social services will not do anything. The house is a tip but if the kids are happy, clean, fed and attend school and not abused there is literally nothing to be achieved.

Yes, the house is dirty but that's why she has a cleaner. It can't be that bad if you are going in twice a week...

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 16:06

Nodancingshoes · 16/07/2023 15:59

Are you my sisters cleaner? She rarely changes beds (if ever??) and her toilets are always blocked and dirty. And yet, she is very well off and owns her own business. Her house makes me wants to scrub myself in the shower for hours when I've been in it. Honestly, some people do live like this but she is royally taking the piss. If you are on friendly terms, I would set some ground rules. You won't pick up dirty nappies and pads anymore and you expect the toilets to be flushed at a minimum. Are the children generally clean? Do you have to clean up mess from the cat? She needs a reality check and if you feel able, maybe you should do this.

The children do look and seem clean, their little girl is lovely and she always has her hair done beautifully which must take a while. I know their little boy has behavioural issues. I have cleaned up the cat's sick before but wasn't majorly bothered as I do this often for my own cats. I can only imagine things getting awkward and her being uncomfortable if I call her out for the toilets etc, I just want her to get better so she can keep on top of things more herself.

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nothingcomestonothing · 16/07/2023 16:07

LauraNorda · 16/07/2023 16:02

I'd up your prices by a considerable percentage and maybe add on a couple of hours too.

Ignore the handwringers that want you to grass to the SS. It will be obvious it was you and you run the risk of losing other clients as no-one wants a snoop in their house.

Seriously you think an adult who knows children are being neglected should do nothing? Because they would then be a grass and a snoop? Children are living in filth and you'd ignore it? I bet you're the first to hand wring when yet another tragedy of an abused child is in the news though. I don't understand how anyone can think like this.

noglow · 16/07/2023 16:07

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 16:06

The children do look and seem clean, their little girl is lovely and she always has her hair done beautifully which must take a while. I know their little boy has behavioural issues. I have cleaned up the cat's sick before but wasn't majorly bothered as I do this often for my own cats. I can only imagine things getting awkward and her being uncomfortable if I call her out for the toilets etc, I just want her to get better so she can keep on top of things more herself.

That's nice and all but your job is to provide a basic level of cleaning.

StellaJohanna · 16/07/2023 16:08

I have been a house cleaner with regular clients on and off for years - ever since university many years ago - to make additional money, mostly for well-off people. I would never work in a house like this - not for £100 an hour. It's absolutely disgusting. House cleaners don't tidy up crap or dishes, deal with shit, nappies or mess. They dust, polish, clean, mop and vacuum. Not even a highly-paid salaried housekeeper would put up with that disgrace. I wouldn't work for them any more - you are just facilitating this unsustainable way of living with nasty and neglectful environment for children and animals.

Whataretheodds · 16/07/2023 16:09

If you are friends with her to the extent that you claim then I would hope uou would have an honest conversation with her. That you have offered to help her for longer to help her get/keep on top of things but you can't keep doing the job under the current circumstances. If she needs you for longer then you're available XYZ days/times.

4weeknoalcohol · 16/07/2023 16:09

I would give her 4 weeks notice and don’t back down.

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