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Is this acceptable for a cleaner?

129 replies

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:09

Hi all
I am a cleaner and considering dropping a client I have had for over a year because of the worsening conditions of her house. I go to her 6 hours one week to clean/tidy and 2 hours the other week just to tidy. The house has always been very unkept, meaning there is mess EVERYWHERE and I know she struggles. I have always been happy to help tidy but it has taken a turn in the past 3 months and there are issues I’m finding it hard to ignore and I’m beginning to dread the job.

1.	There are dirty nappies and bed pads all over her bedroom and the kids’ room. I pick up about 10 each time and the smell of urine in the kids’ room is so strong.
2.	There are a crazy amount of half drunk cups of coffee all over the house and plates of food, many are mouldy by the time I visit!
3.	All 4 toilets are constantly unflushed and covered in hardened skids. I understand that I am a cleaner but this is like the toilet brush hasn’t been touched in 2 weeks. I understand the odd wee or little skid left sometimes, we are all human and she has children. But surely it shouldn’t be left like this for weeks? Sometimes there are tampons and blood in/on the toilet too.
4.	She rarely changes the bedsheets and I have taken it upon myself to start doing it recently. Weirdly, she does her own more often than the children’s. I sometimes go to change them and she stops me, saying she’ll do it herself, but she never does. She leaves it about 2 months between changes unless I can do it. Her 3 year old girl doesn’t have a pillow case on her pillow and it is covered in yellow sweat stains. She doesn’t even have a flat sheet on the mattress and instead sleeps on the same fleece blanket. I changed the sheets recently with her permission and her children were ridiculously excited about it, is this normal? 
5.	The sink is constantly full of food and stinks. I have to clean out the plug hole every 2 weeks with baking soda as she must be pushing all the food down there
6.	The bedroom floors are covered in clothes and I have to spend ages sorting through clean/dirty because I can’t put them together. The rest of the house is always strewn with clothes too.
7.	This isn’t relevant to cleaning but she also has a long hair cat that is extremely matted and looks like it has an eye infection. The cat is lovely and follows me around and I would love to be able to take it to the groomers to make it more comfortable. I can’t say anything in case I offend her…

This is not a deprived family. Her and her husband both work from home for a tech company and have a 5 bed house with 2 new BMWs on the drive.

Is this normal, do some people live like this? I have never had another client who does anything like this. I grew up in a messy house but it was always generally clean and having pillow/mattress protectors and my sheets changed every 2 weeks was normal. She also has her 8 year old boy and 3 year old girl sharing the same small bedroom, when she has 3 unused spare rooms. Do lots of people do this? Im not a parent myself. Am I being nosey and sensitive to being concerned about all this?

We get on very well, almost to a friend level, and always have personal catch-ups when I go. We have spoken openly about the disorganisation and chaos in the house and I have offered to come multiple times to help declutter and organise outside of my usual hours. Whenever she books me for this, she cancels last minute. I have tried to organise small areas if I ever have extra time but it never stays that way so I have given up.

In conversation, I told her about my mum’s ADHD diagnosis which has helped her to keep on top of things. She seemed to identify with it and later asked me about the process of getting assessed. She said she would look into an assessment but hasn’t mentioned it since. I don’t want to pry and ask again as I don’t want her to think I’m diagnosing her but I am sure she is struggling with something mentally.

I guess my issue is that I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle and I am the one holding the house together, which feels like a huge responsibility. I know she doesn’t do any cleaning or tidying between my visits and how much she depends on me to reset the house each week. I hate to think the condition it will slip into if I drop her as a client.

A few weeks ago, she let me know her brother’s family were coming to housesit for the week whilst they were on holiday. I went on the day they left to prepare the house and when I arrived, the house was in complete disgusting chaos as usual. I thought to myself, ‘what if I was sick, what if I wasn’t able to come to clean? Would she just have let her brother stay in the house in that condition?’

I also feel it has gotten worse recently because she has become more comfortable with me seeing her mess and has let it slip, making me do more. Almost like ‘ah the cleaner will sort that’ mentality. Are her and her husband taking the mickey leaving me to deal with and see all of this?

Thoughts? She clearly needs help but it is becoming a lot for me.

OP posts:
Goodadvice1980 · 16/07/2023 17:25

Report to SS and RSPCA.

ChocChipHandbag · 16/07/2023 17:40

gogomoto · 16/07/2023 17:20

I would be honest with her, say it worries you for the children to be living in these conditions, that you can help her keep up with cleaning but she needs to be cleaning between your visits and you can help her with a check list. You can also suggest you increase to weekly. Perhaps you could offer a laundry service for bedding taking it away and bringing it back the following week.

Realistically this may not change then you may need to quit but by trying you know you have done your best.

Or point her to a service who do this. We use one who collect and return. It’s called I hate Ironing and they operate in N London so may also cover where this family are.

Nanny0gg · 16/07/2023 17:53

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:31

Hi all, I have considered that but honestly taking children away from their families is much more damaging than living like this and I wouldn't want to get involved in that capacity

They won't get taken away!

There's children far worse off who wouldn't be taken away,

But the parents clearly need help. You really should give SS a call,

It's not your job to sort out but I couldn't walk away with out ringing them if I was in your shoes.

Have they ever said anything to you? Apologised for the state of the place? Shown embarrassment?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 16/07/2023 19:10

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:31

Hi all, I have considered that but honestly taking children away from their families is much more damaging than living like this and I wouldn't want to get involved in that capacity

Social services don't take kids away unless their health or life is in immediate danger. They'd go in to make a child in need plan to help parents to get on top of things. I would call the local mash team and explain. Or perhaps encourage her to do so. It's a safeguarding risk and if parents are both this neglectful of cleanliness they are probably also neglectful of medical needs, good diet etc. if you're scared of social services you could also call school and ask to report safeguarding concern about a student. It will help flag them.
I'd also consider calling the RSPCA poor cat.

You are able to drop any client you want. You can also tell her you need to increase your hours to be able to clean now that it's usually more messy when you arrive. Be prepared she might drop you or fire you at any point

SophieHope7 · 16/07/2023 19:15

Put your prices up and charge more to tidy pre clean.

everybodytidy · 16/07/2023 19:23

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 15:31

Hi all, I have considered that but honestly taking children away from their families is much more damaging than living like this and I wouldn't want to get involved in that capacity

The SS are more qualified to make that decision

UpaladderwatchingTV · 16/07/2023 19:29

I used to do a cleaning job at a pretty disgusting house OP, and I put up with her messiness and laziness for a while, but one morning I went in to find a note asking me to rinse through the undies that she'd left in soak. I left her a note saying:

Cleaning lady? Yes
Washer woman? No, sorry!

When she got home she was apparently so livid that she phoned a mutual friend of ours, slagging me off, and the friend just laughed at her, and told her she was a lazy cow, and taking the piss expecting me to wash her dirty underwear, was likely to lose her the best cleaner she'd ever had!

She didn't ever mention it to me, but I'd drawn a line, and this is what you need to do. You need to tell her that most cleaners don't even pick up clothes off the floor, let alone deal with cat puke, wet nappies, bed pads, and shitty, disgusting toilets. Just say, I'm really sorry, but I'm afraid the fact that you don't make any effort to keep the place clean and tidy in between my visits, has made my efforts pointless. I've therefore decided to give you notice. Put a note through her door if you don't feel you can say it face to face, but you're being treated like a doormat and it's absolutely NOT ON! I bet she only pays you the lowest rate too? Have some self respect OP, don't carry on working for someone who obviously considers herself to be a princess that needs spoiling with all her nice make up and parcel deliveries, but lives like a pig.

Personally, I'd also report her to social services, as it's really not fair for her poor children to grow up living like animals. Sounds like most people's dogs are treated better!

nutbrownhare15 · 16/07/2023 19:34

I agree that if you want to stay working there it makes sense to establish your boundaries in terms of what you will and won't do. You should not expected to deal with urine, blood or excrement and from now on I really wouldn't. Tell them you expect them to have dealt with these things before you arrive. Yes you can clean toilets but they should have been cleaned by the person who soiled them. If you find pads or tampons or poo in toilet ask them to sort it then and there so that you can clean. You could also say that you expect the children's beds to be changed every two weeks ,if they aren't you will do so as you shouldn't be expected to work in a dirty environment. And yes it's worth saying that two adults live there and by the sound of it the man takes even less of an initiative with the house then she does if she is the person who engaged you.

almostoverthehill · 16/07/2023 19:35

Of course it’s not normal I surprised you have to ask 🤷🏻‍♀️I’d be contacting Social Services and RSPCA/cat protection (something similar) it’s clear neglect

QueenBitch666 · 16/07/2023 19:46

OrwellianTimes · 16/07/2023 16:30

You give notice.
You call social services
you call the RSPCA

This is not normal. You know it’s not normal. Mess and clutter and stuff in the sink is one thing. Unwashed kids sheets and stink of urine is neglect.

This. That poor cat too 😞

juice92 · 16/07/2023 19:52

I used to help a family member go and clean houses when I was in my teens. I can remember she cleaned one that was bad. She was very open about the fact that she hated cleaning (which is fine) and she had a clean every two weeks. At first you could tell no dusting had been done, the hoover hadn't come out and the shower/bath/sink hadn't been cleaned, but she had kept on top of washing the pots, taking the rubbish out and the toilets weren't vile. As she got more and more comfortable, it got worse and worse. And we started seeing old dried up cat poo, rubbish everywhere and all of the pots just left unwashed. It was taking too long and was just horrid to do. In the end she got an extension and it just got even worse.

She was told that we couldn't clean for her anymore and we stopped going. The kids seemed generally happy and healthy, and the one household task the family did seem to do was laundry, so they had clean bedding and whenever we saw them clean clothes.

I would be very tempted to have a word with social services if I were you though.

Oliviabloo · 16/07/2023 19:58

People do live like this. You could be talking about a friend I used to know but her children no longer wear nappies. She used to take tampons out in bed and throw them on the floor. Feel for the kids who live in houses like these.

Middlelanehogger · 16/07/2023 20:03

Oliviabloo · 16/07/2023 19:58

People do live like this. You could be talking about a friend I used to know but her children no longer wear nappies. She used to take tampons out in bed and throw them on the floor. Feel for the kids who live in houses like these.

Throw them on the floor?! Oh my god. Confused

Yellowlegobrick · 16/07/2023 20:05

My house can get messy (my cleaner is happy to tidy and clean - ive checked) but we're talking a pile of clean laundry wanting putting away, one water glass (empty) on each bedside table and sometimes a coffee mug on my desk. My cleaner is brill for binning junk mail if there's any on the mat, and we have left any mugs or cutlery in the sink will wash up/pop them in the dishwasher. I'd be mortified if a child had wet the bed & i'd noticed & my cleaner found the sheets, or if she thought beds needed changing.

I once mentioned i had my mum coming though (id got some clean sheets out ready to make up the bed) and she sympathetically offered to iron them (i've got to admit, i rarely iron bedding unless its winter and it helps get it bone dry).

Yellowlegobrick · 16/07/2023 20:14

I do find it weird that there all these cleaners who seem to expect to get paid to clean an already largely clean and tidy house....

Ive checked regularly with mine that we aren't expecting too much. She comes twice weekly and:

  • no, we don't routinely scrub toilets between her visits unless someones left it skiddy etc.
  • no, we don't dust surfaces between times
  • no, we do not hoover between her visits, unless the carpets have got unusually bad for exceptional reasons like when christmas tree is dropping like mad.

We do:

  • load and run dishwasher
  • spray and wipe kitchen surfaces
  • do all our own laundry, although often there's a basket of clean ready to put away and unprompted the cleaner sometimes folds it.
  • rinse round sink etc - its not left spattered with dried toothpaste & DH shaved stubble
  • empty our own bathroom bins which is where any sanpro etc would go.

I remember my mother spending far longer tidying EVERYTHING off her surfaces for the cleaner to give it a cursory wipe, and always swore i would not do this.

Yellowlegobrick · 16/07/2023 20:19

One small thing to check, they are definitely used nappies, not clean?

My DC room often has several nappies lying round. They are clean (although done & undone many times) - she puts them on dolls and teddies and changes them all the time.

on first glance they'd look "used", they arent pristine & flat like they come out of a packet, but after finding 18 clean nappies in a small bin once i banned her from binning them after a single Dolly wear, we now pretend they are washables..... she's meant to keep them in a basket in her room but she's 3 so that doesn't happen very well.

ellebelli · 16/07/2023 20:32

I'm a cleaner and I have a client similar to this..it does really annoy me at times and I just feel grubby being in the house.
I have actually just started to do less, maybe you should do the same.

mathanxiety · 16/07/2023 20:41

Take photos.

Report to the safeguarding head at the children's school.

You know deep down the children are being horribly neglected. You can probably guess they never have friends over. It's not normal or right for a small child to get excited over clean sheets.

Abbimae · 16/07/2023 20:44

Anything to do with nappies not being cleaned/removed I would report. Could be MH issue with parents.

Emmamoo89 · 16/07/2023 20:55

This definitely doesn't need social services. It's taking away from the ones that do NEED intervention.

RedHelenB · 16/07/2023 21:23

Emmamoo89 · 16/07/2023 20:55

This definitely doesn't need social services. It's taking away from the ones that do NEED intervention.

Why not? Just because its a rich family. Living in that filth is a worry, we're not talking messy we're talking unhygienic.

Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 22:18

Yellowlegobrick · 16/07/2023 20:19

One small thing to check, they are definitely used nappies, not clean?

My DC room often has several nappies lying round. They are clean (although done & undone many times) - she puts them on dolls and teddies and changes them all the time.

on first glance they'd look "used", they arent pristine & flat like they come out of a packet, but after finding 18 clean nappies in a small bin once i banned her from binning them after a single Dolly wear, we now pretend they are washables..... she's meant to keep them in a basket in her room but she's 3 so that doesn't happen very well.

They are definitely used nappies as they smell and are heavier than unused. Sad

OP posts:
Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 22:21

Yellowlegobrick · 16/07/2023 20:14

I do find it weird that there all these cleaners who seem to expect to get paid to clean an already largely clean and tidy house....

Ive checked regularly with mine that we aren't expecting too much. She comes twice weekly and:

  • no, we don't routinely scrub toilets between her visits unless someones left it skiddy etc.
  • no, we don't dust surfaces between times
  • no, we do not hoover between her visits, unless the carpets have got unusually bad for exceptional reasons like when christmas tree is dropping like mad.

We do:

  • load and run dishwasher
  • spray and wipe kitchen surfaces
  • do all our own laundry, although often there's a basket of clean ready to put away and unprompted the cleaner sometimes folds it.
  • rinse round sink etc - its not left spattered with dried toothpaste & DH shaved stubble
  • empty our own bathroom bins which is where any sanpro etc would go.

I remember my mother spending far longer tidying EVERYTHING off her surfaces for the cleaner to give it a cursory wipe, and always swore i would not do this.

I get that, and I tell all my clients not to pre-clean or tidy up for me because I don't want them to stress prepare for my visit. Many houses I go to have some mess or the odd unflushed toilet which I'm more than happy to deal with, everyone is human. I have been happy dealing with her messy house but it's now gotten to a point where it is getting gross, I would expect the family to at least use a toilet brush if they leave a mess...

OP posts:
Lilly0909 · 16/07/2023 22:23

UpaladderwatchingTV · 16/07/2023 19:29

I used to do a cleaning job at a pretty disgusting house OP, and I put up with her messiness and laziness for a while, but one morning I went in to find a note asking me to rinse through the undies that she'd left in soak. I left her a note saying:

Cleaning lady? Yes
Washer woman? No, sorry!

When she got home she was apparently so livid that she phoned a mutual friend of ours, slagging me off, and the friend just laughed at her, and told her she was a lazy cow, and taking the piss expecting me to wash her dirty underwear, was likely to lose her the best cleaner she'd ever had!

She didn't ever mention it to me, but I'd drawn a line, and this is what you need to do. You need to tell her that most cleaners don't even pick up clothes off the floor, let alone deal with cat puke, wet nappies, bed pads, and shitty, disgusting toilets. Just say, I'm really sorry, but I'm afraid the fact that you don't make any effort to keep the place clean and tidy in between my visits, has made my efforts pointless. I've therefore decided to give you notice. Put a note through her door if you don't feel you can say it face to face, but you're being treated like a doormat and it's absolutely NOT ON! I bet she only pays you the lowest rate too? Have some self respect OP, don't carry on working for someone who obviously considers herself to be a princess that needs spoiling with all her nice make up and parcel deliveries, but lives like a pig.

Personally, I'd also report her to social services, as it's really not fair for her poor children to grow up living like animals. Sounds like most people's dogs are treated better!

She pays me £20ph which is top end for my area and I am very thorough and in demand. Maybe this is why she thinks it's ok to leave it all for me so she gets her moneys worth?? not sure

OP posts:
Scatterbrainbox · 16/07/2023 23:00

I'm a bit on the fence here.

The only things you mention which could be considered neglectful is the nappies/ bed mats. That's not great.
The rest is just different housekeeping standards, and I say that as a fairly tidy person.
Did you, her cleaner, actually feel qualified to suggest to her that she should go for an ADHD assessment?! Wow. And saying she 'struggles'...again, just wow. She holds down a professional job, spends time with her kids and ensures (by outsourcing it) that the housework basics are done.
I have had cleaners who feel like their job is for me and them to make a joint effort for the house to be pristine, I drives me mad and I set them straight quickly. That's not what I hire them for... I just want to know the basics have been done wach week. Some weeks I do other stuff some not. (Obvs laundry, dishwasher and cooking gets done).

Either choose to continue working there, or don't.
I think there is a significant misogynistic tone to this...
A) all this talk of 'her' house and what housework 'she' does, that 'she' is struggling when there are 2 adults there.
B) suggesting that she is struggling (again she, not them) because they don't do much housework in between your visits. They are taking care of the housework... by paying you to do it. I.e. it feels like she is being judged for not being a 'good little lady' and doing the housework herself, or at least be anxious enough to clean up before you come.
You do 6 hours one week and 3 the next, how dirty can it get in between your visits?
Re the nappies and bed mats, just point out that you shouldn't be handling them due to bodily fluids, can she chuck them out before you come. No further drama/ judgement needed.
As for cleaning skids off the toilet, if you can't cope with that, do you think you might be in the wrong line of work?

Social services are honestly not going to give a shit that bedding is changed 8 weekly not 2 weekly, and that the toilet only gets a weekly scrub. Grow up.