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Don't understand how you be happy after children grow up

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tikitikitembonoSaRembo · 14/07/2023 10:20

I know it's not normal but I can't understand people who don't feel this way, but I want to.

My two children are beginning to do many more things without me as they grow, want to be alone. I've realised I don't spend half the time with them I used to.

I was a very hands on mother, didn't work during the first few years, then worked around school and would take them out twice a week, spend Saturdays playing with them.

I even have things in my own life. I'm part of a local group which I love and I still work but I feel like my identity and life are slipping away and I don't know how to be happy without being my children's world.

Maybe I messed up along the way but it's this crippling depression.

I know I can go out, meet people, stay up late etc. as I become free of my children, but I don't want to be free of them. I should have had six and gave my life to it but I realised too late that I loved being a mother and only had two.

I'm single and I own my home so could sell up in a few years I suppose, but I don't want to, all our memories are in this house.

I don't feel my children are my whole identity but they are the best thing about my life and I don't think anything could trump it.

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HoppingPavlova · 14/07/2023 12:53

Some gentle advice here OP. The people I know who have the most successful relationships with their adult children are those who are able to bring something to the table from their own personality and interests, so that their children genuinely enjoy their company. If all you have to offer is your mothering of them, your ongoing relationship will have limited scope to be fulfilling. These are the adult children who grit their teeth through the duty visits, politely tolerating being fed and fussed over until they csn escape to something more fun. Often feeling guilty because they know how much their mother's happiness depends on their presence

Exactly this. Adult children won’t want to spend any time in your company if you are just some odd extension of them rather than bringing yourself to the table so to speak.

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 14/07/2023 12:55

@tikitikitembonoSaRembo I completely understand. My boys are all grown up and fathers themselves now. I was heartbroken when they went off to university, absolutely bereft; they were my world. It was very like a bereavement and just like any great loss time is your best friend. With time you adjust to your new normal. My house felt very empty but then they would be there for the holidays and it was full of life again. Then there were the girlfriends, my elder son didn’t ever move back after university but moved in with the lovely girl who became his wife and the mother of some of my gorgeous grandchildren. My younger son’s girlfriend moved in with us for a while, they are now married with children too so no one lives with me anymore. They visit often and we all keep in daily touch via a family WhatsApp group which I love. We have regular times when we all gather together which are wonderful because my family has got so much larger and my grandchildren are a joy. I am nanny now and my lovely daughters in law have assumed the title mummy, that is how it should be.
In the end I didn’t lose my children but gained a much larger loving family, I’m sure you will too. Just remember all your efforts have been to make them happy, healthy, successful and independent adults, if you put them first as you always have done you won’t go wrong.
Finally my mum and dad were just that to the days they died, I always treasured my relationship with them.
You can self refer for talking therapy which might help you. Sending you a hug. X

DaisyThistle · 14/07/2023 12:56

I sympathise massively with what you are saying OP and am struggling with very similar feelings. It's not that there is nothing else in my life - I have a job I adore - I'm incredibly lucky on that. I have plenty of free time to see friends, go to the theatre, travel, keep fit etc. But nothing feels as important as raising them, nothing equates to the love i feel for them which they don't need anymore in the quantities I still have it. They are adults now and off on their own adventures, which is right and good. But I don't know what to do with all that surplus love and care and attention I still have for them. It's like a basket of rotting fruit.

I'm coming to the conclusion that I just really enjoy caring for people more than I enjoy anything else in life, so I am thinking about volunteering for Homestart or training as a respite carer or similar.

Pancakeparlour · 14/07/2023 12:57

I totally understand this. Although I am looking forward to days out and holidays with my dh I can’t help but feel deep sorrow that my dc are no longer little children. They are 15 and 18 now and obviously still live at home but have their own lives more and more each day. I was a SAHM for quite some time and I can honestly say those early years with just them and I pottering about every day were the most joyful days of my life. No job or experience has had that same impact on me. I look at little children now (like my ndn’s lovely little 2 year old) and feel a deep pull at my heart, it does feel,like a grief. I would go back to those days in a heartbeat (snot, tantrums, sleepless nights and all!).

Pancakeparlour · 14/07/2023 12:57

And I never wanted kids originally, they were never in my plans!

Pinkdelight3 · 14/07/2023 12:59

*I can look at pictures of Thailand, I'm not interested. It's a place with people in who do things slightly differently to us. That's not worth days of my time

In the nicest way, WTAF. Of course they do things differently. That’s the whole point of going. It’s wonderful. Because it’s different to your own every day.*

There are many threads on here from people who don't enjoy travelling and while it may be hard for you to comprehend, that doesn't mean you're right and they will somehow find it wonderful. Kind of ironic, when you're pushing the wonders of people doing things differently that you can't appreciate that.

wholivesondrurylane · 14/07/2023 12:59

Pancakeparlour · 14/07/2023 12:57

And I never wanted kids originally, they were never in my plans!

the little bugger grown on you don't they 😂

Pancakeparlour · 14/07/2023 13:00

Yeah, like little leeches lol!

wholivesondrurylane · 14/07/2023 13:00

Pinkdelight3 · 14/07/2023 12:59

*I can look at pictures of Thailand, I'm not interested. It's a place with people in who do things slightly differently to us. That's not worth days of my time

In the nicest way, WTAF. Of course they do things differently. That’s the whole point of going. It’s wonderful. Because it’s different to your own every day.*

There are many threads on here from people who don't enjoy travelling and while it may be hard for you to comprehend, that doesn't mean you're right and they will somehow find it wonderful. Kind of ironic, when you're pushing the wonders of people doing things differently that you can't appreciate that.

the difference is between travelling for the sake of travelling

and travelling to have a chance to spend time with your kids

BeardyButton · 14/07/2023 13:01

Oh OP! I feel you. I only have one. My husbands choice… I’m very resentful of this, but working through it. Think I nearly felt ready to end marriage over it.

My son is 7. He is my world. I have frequent thoughts of wanting to freeze time. I do not want him to grow up. But I also want him to grow up, be happy, have a wonderful adult life. Yet the idea of him not reaching for my hand before crossing the road….

my advice - a hobby! When I realised I would only have one, I went back horse riding. I recommend something difficult and skilled that you need to really learn how to go well. Horses work for me, but could be anything. You need to be able to re focus your mind when you feel like this.

squirelnutkin11 · 14/07/2023 13:02

I too feel just like you op. I had a full independent life before children, own business, travel, hobbies, friends, own flat but it always felt a bit empty..

I had my two late at 37 and 39...and it was so wonderful, all of it ...l felt a happiness l had never come close to, every day, and a fulfillment that was just fantastic to experience even on the tough days....l remember thinking why does no one tell you how amazing being a parent is.
Now the oldest is 17 and looking at Universities and l am feeling so sad, and quite frightend by how my life will feel when l no longer see her every day, l am really wrestling with my emotions...although outwardly very positive of course.

I would much prefer to spend time with my DCS than anyone else. So l don't know what the answer is op...

Bluevelvetsofa · 14/07/2023 13:04

I felt a sadness when DS left for university, but it didn’t last long.

Theres still the job, hobbies and interests and the day to day stuff. After a while you get used to it and then enjoy it. If your life is lived solely through your children, there will be a long time when you feel you have no purpose or reason. They should become independent and move away from you and start the next cycle. There will be a time when someone else is the most important person in their lives and will come first.

Its as it should be.

Pinkdelight3 · 14/07/2023 13:04

*the difference is between travelling for the sake of travelling

and travelling to have a chance to spend time with your kids*

This whole travelling issue really is in your head and quite an odd distraction from the OP's main point, so I'll stop engaging with it now, but happy travels!

MumblesParty · 14/07/2023 13:07

Is there a reason you won’t tell us how old your kids are? Because honestly, it has a huge bearing on how you’re feeling.

GalileoHumpkins · 14/07/2023 13:08

I feel like they're dying

Surely this is way beyond normal. Did you not expect them to grow up?

SunsetCurtain · 14/07/2023 13:08

5128gap · 14/07/2023 12:22

Some gentle advice here OP. The people I know who have the most successful relationships with their adult children are those who are able to bring something to the table from their own personality and interests, so that their children genuinely enjoy their company. If all you have to offer is your mothering of them, your ongoing relationship will have limited scope to be fulfilling. These are the adult children who grit their teeth through the duty visits, politely tolerating being fed and fussed over until they csn escape to something more fun. Often feeling guilty because they know how much their mother's happiness depends on their presence.
For your sake and your children's, I'd suggest you try really hard to find and develop the parts of yourself that aren't about your role as mother.

This is amazingly insightful and I think more people need to understand this.
I read it to my DP and its led to a significant evaluation of our own relationship with our parents. Thank you

Roselilly36 · 14/07/2023 13:08

My two are 22 and 20 now. 22 yo will leave home next year, of course, I am sad about it, but it’s part of being a parent. Very selfish to try and keep them at home, when they need to move on with the next stage of their lives.

Forestfriendlygarden · 14/07/2023 13:11

MissyB1 · 14/07/2023 11:17

Ok I’ve had two leave and the last will probably go in about 4 years time. What I would say is by the time they are 18 you just sort of feel ready, they are adults, so an extra adult in the house. They are still your kids but it doesn’t feel like mothering a small child anymore. The dynamic shifts. I missed each one going (and youngest will be hardest), but at the same time I look forward to the next phase.

Mind you I will be 59 when youngest leaves for Uni, I’m bloody knackered 😂

May I join you in the '59 and knackered' club, Missy?

I've felt some of these feelings as well, but don't identify with the dread of the 'empty nest'.

The last few years and the pandemic seem to have involved so much logistics, organising, mitigation of missing teachers due to the recruitment crisis, etc. that I find myself really enjoying the prospect of DD finally going to uni in October. I never thought I would say that, but I am.

Today I woke up late, trying to rest my foot with arthritis as it often hurts in the morning, not looking forward to tackling household jobs for that reason, pouring with rain and the washing line was broken and for the first time to my surprise (unprompted) EVER - DD had cleaned the kitchen, cleaned the kitchen floor, put dishwasher on, organised herself and all I had to do was get myself a coffee go to my desk and tackle the long list of things to do. Then going out to do something in a cafe around her online course that she is required to do for uni.

New found learnings I hope for DD since she started a part time job in a cafe - in my view at least include a new found appreciation for all the things that are necessary in order to run a household (she is now required to fill and empty the dishwasher as part of her job, also run the till). And a new found fast learning curve around money, savings and her own financial future.

I find myself pleased and relieved that I might finally have less to do in the house at last. During A levels and previous she was studying so much that I seemed to take on the burden of everything in the house. I'm even not doing a grocery shop online anymore as we have two very decent stores within walking distance now and she is more than capable of popping out, deciding what she wants to eat and doing that.

I've noticed that a lot of the writings around so called 'empty-nesting' (they used to call it a 'syndrome' - don't apply to everybody. For me there is a relief around having put the work in to get this far, logistically, financially and every other which way and gradually trusting more and more that DD has a major part of the skills needed to navigate her own blessings and challenges. Ok I think she will always phone me if needed and I know I will be on the other end of the phone if I need to.

I've also noticed that the situation is different for everybody but that sometimes for people in couples it can be more challenging - because they are suddenly faced with each other, without the kids and there can be a lot of change there.

When I first left for uni at eighteen, there wasn't half the support and prep that there is nowadays to help them cope with the transition. In fact there was none at all. I didn't know what to do with a bank account really, student finances, studying, any of that...so I'm glad again, that so much preparation has gone in to this, on my part, on the part of the school, on the part of the uni...

In terms of identity - I'm not the same person I was - before I had DD. I like to think that providing for DD and creating what they call a 'circle of security' for us both - has been also an act of self-care for me - on good days it has led me to value myself more.

And quite often, perhaps partly because i was often tired and lately in pain with arthritis - I really haven't enjoyed teenage dramas. I know it is their hormones but being past the menopause myself - I don't want to do dramas anymore! it is I feel a really hard age group to parent. Although perhaps sometimes easier if you are not doing it all on your own! Sometimes I am quite calm about these - knowing that the next day things are probably going to be completely different again.

I really, really haven't enjoyed the run up to A level exams - and the stress. it seems it has been going on for years...I know she will have exam stress at uni but I hope that is different as they form their own support networks and times are also hopefully fun.

I had a letter from a friend who went through 'empty-nesting' (I really feel as if we need to find another word for it!) - and it coincided with her menopause.

She said she thought that a large part of what she was feeling was hormonal.

Perhaps it is worth not just pulling in counselling support but also having a general health check. As you know these things can affect mood.

JeanBodel · 14/07/2023 13:15

OP, some people have warned you against fostering but I think it would be worth exploring. I'm a social worker; we used to say about some foster carers that 'they've just got more love to give' - they've had their family but they still have love in their heart for more children. I definitely do not; when my kids are gone I will not have the energy for any more. But it sounds as though you do? It's not uncommon for empty nesters to become foster carers and they can be great at it, they have so much life experience.

Lentilweaver · 14/07/2023 13:18

MumblesParty · 14/07/2023 13:07

Is there a reason you won’t tell us how old your kids are? Because honestly, it has a huge bearing on how you’re feeling.

I think how old the kids are is very relevant too.

5128gap · 14/07/2023 13:18

SunsetCurtain · 14/07/2023 13:08

This is amazingly insightful and I think more people need to understand this.
I read it to my DP and its led to a significant evaluation of our own relationship with our parents. Thank you

Thank you! It's lovely to recieve feedback that something you've said has been helpful to someone. I appreciate you sharing that.😊

Forestfriendlygarden · 14/07/2023 13:20

Perhaps a half way house might be to take in students learning English?

There are lots of language schools out there who do this.

DD is going to Spain to stay with a single mother family with grown up daughter who visits.

As pp said you have so much experience to offer.

continentallentil · 14/07/2023 13:20

It wouldn’t matter if you’d had 8, you’d have got to this point eventually.

It sounds like a good old fashioned life crisis to me - they are awful when you’re in them, but you usually come out better the other side. Therapy is the best thing, can you afford a course of it? And do some reading.

Mourning your kids’ childhoods is normal, but it sounds a bit more severe than average for you so I think it’s best to work on it formally.

sadlittlelifejane · 14/07/2023 13:22

Motnight · 14/07/2023 10:37

Op shouldn't become a foster parent to try and fill a void in her life.

What? Why the hell not? We all "fill voids" in our lives. Whether that be starting knitting Club to fill a social void. Getting a puppy because you feel lonely. There needs to be many more kind and caring Foster parents (I know for a fact there are many shit ones). Who cares why they are doing it and who are you to tell someone their reasoning for doing is wrong?

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