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To be done with autism

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stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 13:54

I'm done with it.

DD1 is autistic. She is nearly 11, diagnosed at 5. We have made numerous adjustments at home. School have made numerous adjustments. All to no avail.

She swore and kicked her little sister yesterday. Immediate consequence no screens for 24 hours and sent to her room. Of course, meltdown. 2 HOURS later after punching and kicking me she complies.

I'm done.

The needs of the many are now coming first. I'm on my sixth anti-depressant, DD2 is terrified in her own home, DH spends his life walking the dog trying to remain calm in the face is extreme provocation.

I'm done. No more. The 3 of us are coming first for the first time in more than a decade. I'm done.

No more empathy. No more trying to understand. Done.

No matter what we do, she has violent meltdowns. She thinks of no-one but herself. Modelling doesn't work. Talking incidents through doesn't work. She won't use any strategy she has been taught to avoid a meltdown.

I'm done. Time to live our lives.

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MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 11/07/2023 20:31

Longtimelutker2019 · 11/07/2023 20:25

I’ve read them, but don’t agree fully! Shock factor may be the key, and not just excusing this behaviour and making allowances. Glad you don’t support “Screen time” as a necessity, as we all grew up without it! There was a reason kids, NT air otherwise, didn’t rule the roost in decades past and this is it! It doesn’t have to inflict harm, but shows she is NOT in control and CANT do what she wants!

Try again when you haven't had a drink.

CMMM · 11/07/2023 20:31

I have nothing useful to say. I have absolutely no idea what you and your family are managing on a daily basis, but I do know that difficult times compound, hour by hour, day by day day, month by month.... I genuinely hear you x

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:32

@IamSTARVING

It is the nature of AIBU.

I now have 7 avenues to pursue that I did not have this morning. The thread has worked.

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Stompythedinosaur · 11/07/2023 20:32

StefanosHill · 11/07/2023 20:26

I have. I see there are clubs and activities

But when in the house it’s the room

I assume the op will still spend time together at some point when not in clubs or room though

But the pp made me question this

I have read all the op's posts. She was clear, I thought, about her plan for her autistic daughter to remain in her bedroom when in the house, and to eat seperately.

I hope she thinks better of this. I understand the impulse to console a woman who is clearly struggling, but that cannot be via saying that something that is clearly abusive and harmful is ok.

Longtimelutker2019 · 11/07/2023 20:32

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 11/07/2023 20:30

Shock factor may be the key

I quite agree! You should have seen the shocked look on my mother's face after I punched her in response to her slapping me twice across the face.

Seriously, get tae fuck. All my parents hitting taught me was that I couldn't trust them and that might made right.

But do she hit you again after that?

WildUnchartedWaters · 11/07/2023 20:33

Longtimelutker2019 · 11/07/2023 20:30

I have 3 - all well behaved and no, I don’t smack any of them! But if one of them hit me it may be a different story and it wouldn’t happen twice let alone regularly!

I assume none are autistic or have the story OP has shared.

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:33

@Sheselectric88

How is it tested? I'm not going to be able to get a blood draw. Is there a saliva test?

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Aaaaandbreathe · 11/07/2023 20:33

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WildUnchartedWaters · 11/07/2023 20:34

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 11/07/2023 20:19

@moodypromises I wasn't allowed to melt down because I knew I'd get smacked.

I think it's done me great (apart from witnessing DV and drug addiction in both my parents)
I'm a fully functioning adult and get on with life.

I was subjected to similar physical abuse for my "tantrums" and ended up suicidal, self-harming, still on antidepressants decades later. Your anecdote indicates that you, as one person, are very resilient and also capable somehow of learning "the rules" of neurotypical life well enough to cope. Many autistic people are not so lucky.

💜

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 11/07/2023 20:34

Longtimelutker2019 · 11/07/2023 20:30

I have 3 - all well behaved and no, I don’t smack any of them! But if one of them hit me it may be a different story and it wouldn’t happen twice let alone regularly!

Are they able to spell better than you?

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:34

@Stompythedinosaur

Yet, some have advocated it as best practice for autistic children. Eating with others is intolerable I am advised.

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Clymene · 11/07/2023 20:34

So you're goi png to lock her in her room and let her out for dinner.

Do you think that will improve her behaviour?

Is she at a special school? What's her behaviour like there? Have you considered residential?

1stTimeMama · 11/07/2023 20:34

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 13:58

It's gonna be strict authoritarian parenting with her from now on.

This approach will not work at all. You're approaching it in the wrong way, and it sounds like you're blaming her for her actions, when as an autistic person, she will be struggling hugely. I know it's hard, but YAB massively U.

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:35

@Aaaaandbreathe

I spoke to the Child Disability Social Worker yesterday in my home.

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Longtimelutker2019 · 11/07/2023 20:35

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 11/07/2023 20:34

Are they able to spell better than you?

Probably but I can’t see any spelling mistakes?

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 11/07/2023 20:36

Longtimelutker2019 · 11/07/2023 20:35

Probably but I can’t see any spelling mistakes?

So you "lutk" regularly?

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:36

@Clymene

No. If you had read the thread you would know we do not have locks on our internal doors. It's fire hazard to begin with and utterly bizarre in a family home to end with.

I am enforcing 'down time' in the bedroom she designed last year to meet her needs.

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MotherofGorgons · 11/07/2023 20:37

I am not certain of much in this world but I am pretty sure the OPs child is better off being with her than any social services. Let her go to someone who will take care of her better? The fuck?
Her DD seems to have had a lovely day in her room. Probably preferred it.

mintlily · 11/07/2023 20:37

AutismProf · 11/07/2023 20:25

@mintlily
"I don't understand how parenting by giving rewards for good behaviour and consequences for bad behaviour is at all abusive - what a weird suggestion from some people"

It's not so much abusive as a misunderstanding of how and why behaviours happen.
Giving rewards and punishments is predicated upon the idea that all kids "could" behave, if they just wanted to enough. That they have the necessary skills, they just lack the motivation.
This is, frankly, bollocks. Apply the principle to other situations where people struggle and it becomes obvious. If a person cannot walk, let's punish then every time they don't walk, and offer rewards for when they start walking. If a person can't see, let's punish them for failing to see and offer rewards for when they do.

What's worse is that whole class systems reward the kids who are already doing well whilst shaming those who don't have the skills, whilst not actually doing anything to teach those skills.

Imagine if your kid had been born with cerebral Palsy and couldn't walk, and as intervention instead of physio the school suggested a reward system. All the kids who can already walk get a sticker every day and a reward on Friday (golden time). Whereas your kid gets no stickers, and no reward on Friday. No one kearns anything, except that your non walking kid learns a sense of shame in themselves and feel "worse than" everyone else for something outside their control.

Now, autistic kids. They all differ, but struggling to understand NT social code is a common issue. This can manifest in difficulty managing their behaviour, a meltdown from frustration for example. The behaviour is just a signal that there is something they are struggling with, just the same as being in a wheelchair is just a sign that someone is struggling with walking.

So the reward system for "being good" rewards all those lucky kids who understand the social rules and have the skills to follow them. They learn nothing from the system, except that something they can already do intrinsically now attracts an extrinsic reward, which is not a great idea for life motivation. The autistic kid learns that they don't get stickers, that they fall short, that they are less than, and that everyone seems to think they "should" be able to control themselves if they just wanted to a bit more. But no one actually teaches them why it's hard, or how to control themselves etc.

If you wouldn't punish a kid who can't walk for not being sufficiently motivated to walk, then you shouldn't punish an autistic child (or indeed any child) for not understanding and being able to follow social rules.

I wasn't saying that rewards and punishments necessarily work for autistic children - I was just saying that calling the OP abusive for administering consequences for violent behaviour is absurd.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 11/07/2023 20:38

@Livelovebehappy I’ve seen days out cancelled because the child knows their power and seems to try sabotage every nice thing my sister tries to do for the family.

1: I doubt that the child "knows their power".
2: Now why is it that the autistic child doesn't want to go for a day out? Perhaps it's because being in loud, bright, people-filled, moving-object-filled, strange places is anything but a "nice thing" for the autistic child? You are defining "nice" by neurotypical standards.

McHelenz · 11/07/2023 20:38

@stargirl1701 sorry the thread has gone too long for me to catch up but Ive skimmed what I can.

Is there anyway you could access some intensive support to implement a good positive behaviour support plan? It may help to identify some triggers that are potentially being missed - however id expect from the ABC charts you'd be able to work out the function to a lot of it.

I'm not sure if they offer any support virtually but there is the Cauldwell Centre in Staffordshire that may have some useful ideas or connections?

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:38

@Clymene

Again, reading the thread would enlighten you to her schooling.

Can you talk to me of your journey finding a residential placement in Scotland for your autistic child?

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Boo1321 · 11/07/2023 20:39

Imo this is a good decision considering you’ve tried everything. Once she’s gone through puberty and come into adulthood she will learn some life lessons which will teach her maturity and to appreciate and accommodate others feelings and needs. She won’t hate you or her sister forever, she won’t act this way forever. Autistic children aren’t immature forever, they just develop slower. It sounds like you’re a really loving and patient parent from all that you have tried. Good luck x

Jigslaw · 11/07/2023 20:39

MotherofGorgons · 11/07/2023 20:37

I am not certain of much in this world but I am pretty sure the OPs child is better off being with her than any social services. Let her go to someone who will take care of her better? The fuck?
Her DD seems to have had a lovely day in her room. Probably preferred it.

I agree. There's hardly people queueing up to adopt children anyway, it's a very naieve view that a challenging child would be better off in the system than with a mother who it sounds like has actively engaged with the services available and tried different things but has reached the end point of having to prioritise others in the family for their wellbeing. The real crime isn't OP or any of their actions, its the lack of meaningful and tangible support.

stargirl1701 · 11/07/2023 20:39

@McHelenz

I'm hoping the Child Disability Social Worker will offer suggestions after visiting yesterday.

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