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AIBU?

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To be a bit concerned about someone about someone calling my daughter this

298 replies

Fashionista22 · 08/07/2023 20:33

We were at a family party and someone that we don’t know very well (but seems was quite friendly and nice) called my daughter a ‘saucepot’. I didn’t think much of it at the time but I googled it later and found out it was a phrase to describe someone being sexy. He’ll be at another event in a couple of weeks..AIBU to find it a bit weird and want to keep more of a distance?

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 09/07/2023 01:19

Museya15 · 08/07/2023 22:05

I remember a friend's relative calling his granddaughter a sexy little thing and a saucy wee b**ch. She was 18 months old. It turned my stomach.

That is entirely different.

And revolting

Nanny0gg · 09/07/2023 01:20

riotlady · 08/07/2023 20:42

Ugh it’s definitely icky (like calling little boys and girls who are friends “boyfriend and girlfriend”) but I don’t think it means he literally thinks your daughter is sexy. It’s just the gross way some people talk

No. It really isn't.

JeandeServiette · 09/07/2023 01:21

CharityJane · 08/07/2023 20:46

I’ve only ever heard it used to mean cheeky. My mum used to call me a saucepot when I was little if I was being a bit cheeky or spirited. It was always said in an affectionate way though.

Yes. I can definitely remember older people also saying "There were boys hanging around outside giving him sauce" or similar. Like a meaning of "lip" or backchat and very much associated with delinquent youth, usually male.

"Saucepot" meaning "minx" is also a common usage.

So could be either?

JeandeServiette · 09/07/2023 01:26

Fashionista22 · 08/07/2023 22:13

Thanks for the replies, really interesting!

I wouldn’t say he was old, late 40s probably and there were a few other things he did, like try to tickle her and her friends a few times when they were playing. I’m not saying he’s a pedo at all and at the time I didn’t think too much on it but looking back, it is something I’ve thought over a few times, which is why I wanted to ask what you thought.

She is confident and fun, so I’m obviously hoping he was saying he’s sassy (which I hadn’t heard of until this thread) x

Oh stop.

You absolutely are trying to besmirch the poor man.

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 01:27

Havaina · 09/07/2023 00:20

Why are people giving the definition of saucy? Saucepot is different to saucy, in that it has a more obvious meaning of titilliating, like sexpot.

It has more than one meaning then. I've only ever heard it used to mean cheeky, especially when describing a 2 year old.
Not so keen on the tickling...propably innocent, but men in their 40s should know better than to tickle young children they've just met...

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 01:31

Although you say it was a family party so was he a relative? That might account for the familiarity, but really, men should know how careful they need to be these days.

JeandeServiette · 09/07/2023 01:33

I think we're going to get a long drip feed with increasingly inappropriate stuff that OP "didn't think much of at the time".

LordSalem · 09/07/2023 02:27

I've been on the bus and overheard an older woman calling a baby boy in a pram "dead sexy" I thought I'd misheard until she repeated "Aww you're dead sexy aren’t yer, sexy boy"
Absolutely grim to me, but no one else was remotely bothered.
It probably a regional thing but that doesn't make it okay. People old enough to know better should stop and think.

wombat1a · 09/07/2023 03:00

I think YABU, for me someone who is a saucepot is someone cheeky, and totally acceptable to use for a 2 yo.

WiddlinDiddlin · 09/07/2023 04:20

LordSalem · 09/07/2023 02:27

I've been on the bus and overheard an older woman calling a baby boy in a pram "dead sexy" I thought I'd misheard until she repeated "Aww you're dead sexy aren’t yer, sexy boy"
Absolutely grim to me, but no one else was remotely bothered.
It probably a regional thing but that doesn't make it okay. People old enough to know better should stop and think.

That is a bit cringe, but I've seen/heard 'sexy' used for non sexual 'great/good looking/attractive/desirable in a materialistic sense...

I have called a horse 'sexy''... he was, huge, shining, beautiful... I was not sexually attracted! I have heard horse people use it in this context plenty.

I have heard people use it to refer to cars, motorbikes, computers, phones... fairly sure no one was physically attracted to any of those.

Even so... mm, for a child... still cringe!

Havaina · 09/07/2023 06:48

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 01:27

It has more than one meaning then. I've only ever heard it used to mean cheeky, especially when describing a 2 year old.
Not so keen on the tickling...propably innocent, but men in their 40s should know better than to tickle young children they've just met...

But your version isn’t even in the dictionary

saucepot (pl. saucepots)

  1. A pot used to make sauce.
  • April 4, 2009, Corey Mintz, Beitzah, Toronto Star:
  • "For tomatillo sauce, warm oil in a small saucepot on medium heat."
  1. (slang) A woman who behaves in a titillatingly saucy manner.
  • March 9, 2013, Jana Falkenberg, Love, Sex And Other Disasters: My Adventurous Search For The Man Of My Dreams:
  • "Thank God I was not the only sex-mad precocious little saucepot around!"

https://www.wordsense.eu/saucepot/

bellac11 · 09/07/2023 06:50

JeandeServiette · 09/07/2023 01:33

I think we're going to get a long drip feed with increasingly inappropriate stuff that OP "didn't think much of at the time".

Yep.

bellac11 · 09/07/2023 06:51

Havaina · 09/07/2023 06:48

But your version isn’t even in the dictionary

saucepot (pl. saucepots)

  1. A pot used to make sauce.
  • April 4, 2009, Corey Mintz, Beitzah, Toronto Star:
  • "For tomatillo sauce, warm oil in a small saucepot on medium heat."
  1. (slang) A woman who behaves in a titillatingly saucy manner.
  • March 9, 2013, Jana Falkenberg, Love, Sex And Other Disasters: My Adventurous Search For The Man Of My Dreams:
  • "Thank God I was not the only sex-mad precocious little saucepot around!"

https://www.wordsense.eu/saucepot/

People have already posted links to legitimate dictionary definitions

Havaina · 09/07/2023 06:56

bellac11 · 09/07/2023 06:51

People have already posted links to legitimate dictionary definitions

What, dictionary.com? Ok 😂

BungalowBuyer · 09/07/2023 06:57

This is exactly how I'd hear it, it's a word you'd hear in a carry on film.

To be a bit concerned about someone about someone calling my daughter this
readbooksdrinktea · 09/07/2023 06:58

JeandeServiette · 09/07/2023 01:33

I think we're going to get a long drip feed with increasingly inappropriate stuff that OP "didn't think much of at the time".

Of course. She's got people wound up and going already.

speluncean · 09/07/2023 06:59

I'd only ever heard of saucepot naming cheeky and sassy.

You learn something new every day.

Havaina · 09/07/2023 07:02

bellac11 · 09/07/2023 06:51

People have already posted links to legitimate dictionary definitions

And pp posted definition of ‘saucy’ which is different. Who are you trying to kid?

gemstoneju · 09/07/2023 08:30

People in the west country years ago might have referred to a little girl as a 'little tart', which I don't think would go down well today either. Language has regional variations and its connotations change over time.

ontetwo3 · 09/07/2023 08:51

Well, 'sassy' is a derivation of 'saucy' and both meant and still mean 'cheeky and to have a certain bold attitude'. Both terms are often used in a more or less positive way.

However, there is another sense of 'saucy' which means 'sexually suggestive' often in a light hearted way. For example, certain postcards could be 'saucy' or you could buy 'saucy lingerie' and so on. 'Sassy' does not usually carry such connotations.

Personally, if someone called something 'saucy' , I would immediately interpret this as meaning 'sexually suggestive in a humorous way' because I was brought up in a generation and a place where it was almost exclusive used to mean this (unless you were referring to food). So, if the person who made this remark is over fifty and British (I believe 'saucy' does not have the sexually suggestive connotations in most varieties of North American English, but I may be wrong), I would hope they had meant to say 'sassy'.

Anonymouseposter · 09/07/2023 09:45

It’s clearly one of those phrases that is gradually changing its meaning. OP can probably tell from this man’s demeanour how he meant it. I certainly wouldn’t be rushing to think there was something off if an older person used it.

BitOutOfPractice · 09/07/2023 09:48

I used to think it was weird too but where I live now, (Essex), people use it to mean sassy or cheeky with regards to small children. It was used about my DDs by men and women regularly without any creepy overtones. I agree it’s a bit icky though, I never liked it.

Fifthtimelucky · 09/07/2023 10:11

@Saschka I agree with you that it is taking on a new meaning. That doesn't mean that the old meaning is redundant- at least yet.

Perhaps it will be one day. In the meantime, none of us know what the man concerned meant when he said it. Personally, I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt if otherwise he seemed nice.

Gooniesnecersaydie · 09/07/2023 10:14

I think he meant cheeky or bold and that's how I'd take it.

RaininSummer · 09/07/2023 10:28

I would have thought he meant she was a bit of a cute, cheeky chops in the absence of any other creepy signs.