Men’s Asylum seeker accommodation next to school

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I feel quite ashamed by how I feel but want to know if it warranted.

There has been an announcement that a 500 men’s asylum seeker accommodation is going ahead against councils decision (it was overruled on a national scale). This is Stafford btw

It will be butted up to (no gap) to my DCs school and opposite a nursery. It’s not because they are asylum seekers that concerns me. It’s the fact it’a 500 men unit, with many with no known history / criminal records/ mental state.

I work over an hour away and currently my daughter who is 12 walks to the bus etc, she also does after school clubs then walks home alone. Most parents at the school are talking about moving their kids but in reality and logistically that’s not going to happen.

I genuinely feel scared for her safety. AIBU?
Its the location of it that’s wrong and the fact the council stated issues and concerns so refused it but got overruled by the government…

Only 500 OP? The now closed RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire is getting 2,500. And yes, there is a school and nursery right by the fence. The men will be free to wander where they please and free buses to take them into the nearest towns will be provided. There is going to be a curfew of 11pm though, so that's good (hmm)

Well, asylum seekers unfortunately feature prominently in sex crime statistics. In France, for example, they make up only 1-2% of the population but are implicated in almost 20% of serious sex crimes including rape. If you want to read all the stats google 'Prey' by Ayaan Hirsi Ali and you'll find excerpts from her book.

The share of asylum seekers in the local population is related to a 1.1% rise in property crime but no change in violent crime. A rise in A8 migrants as a share of the population is associated with a 0.4% fall in property crime and has no relationship to violent crime.

The Migration Observatory, at the University of Oxford

I think Ali was quoting figures from Germany and Austria rather than UK.

It's a legal obligation under the refugee convention.

Yes, I think so too. The UK statistics are very different.

@Swrigh1234 I assume you live next to asylum centre and have witnessed the problems first hand? If not, why comment?

You also have to keep in mind that it will probably take a couple of years for the facility to be up and running, and a lot can change in this time.

This is still valid. But for some reason people prefer to panic in advance.

Are you this weird in real life too or do you just save this behaviour for your online persona?

I think the better plan is to put 500 female asylum speakers in this location and the men elsewhere.

@Swrigh1234 aren't you a charmer 😂

Yabu, there are lots of predators walking around every day without you realising. Why is it only when the creation of accommodation for the homeless/asylum seekers gets created that everyone assumes there will be risks from those people. If you think you're dd is safe to walk alone with all of the indigenous predators then I'm not sure why you'd think she's more unsafe around non-indigenous ones? I'm afraid that's you're unconscious bias shining through, either that or your naivety of the makeup of our society.

All refugees DON'T go to Western countries, actually. 8 of the top 10 countries for hosting refugees are not western. Germany and Poland are in the 10 but here's the other 8
Iran is host to 840,000 refugees, 820,000 of whom come from Afghanistan.
Ethiopia is host to over 867,000 refugees. Most have escaped conflict in nearby South Sudan, Somalia, Sudan, and Eritrea
Virtually all of the 929,000 refugees currently living in Bangladesh are stateless Rohingya, who began seeking asylum en masse in 2017 after violence broke out in Myanmar’s Rakhine State
Sudan is one of the largest countries of asylum for refugees (1.11 million as of 2022
Policymakers in Uganda have shaped and reshaped policy in recent years around providing safe and dignified shelter for an increasingly large refugee population that has grown from from 477,000 in 2015 to 940,000 in 2016 to 1,489,000 in 2022.
Pakistan’s refugee population of 1,539,554 million refugees is almost entirely from Afghanistan: 1,539,046. Many have lived in the country for decades, initially fleeing the decadelong Soviet-Afghan War.
Over 3.67 million refugees are currently being hosted in Türkiye
In 2022, the Russian Federation became one of the world’s largest host communities and is currently hosting 1.45 million refugees. Nearly all of these refugees are from neighboring Ukraine.

But I think if 500 unemployed young men (Not immigrants) were going to be housed next to a school the feelings would be the same.

Here's the thing, you put 500 men together (regardless of creed or race or whatever) in shitty conditions, with not a lot to do, treated like crap , with god knows what trauma and mental health issues from it together, no support with those issues , treated by the media and some parts of society as subhuman,hated,unwanted etc ,shit is gonna go down.

Just like on sink estates, where you have numerous young men with no jobs,no prospects, living in poverty shit does go down. We know this. It's been documented in the news,statistics,court cases.It's irrelevant that they're white brits.

Now imagine them not even spread out, but 500 of them in one building.

I lived near one of these centres and the fears are pretty well founded.

We've just had a letter to us that in the hotel near us 86 boys/men have gone missing and 50 are still unaccounted for. This is considered safe by the government?

A8 migrants are European migrants though aren't they? The issue is migrants from patriarchal middle eastern countries where sexual harassment of women is common.

I'll try and dig out the other thread. Was loads of data in that.

Yes, you're right, although the difference between A8 migrants and asylum seekers was only in respect of property crime (which the authors attributed to the fact that A8 migrants are allowed to work whereas asylum seekers are not).

As far as violent crime was concerned neither group caused any rise.

But basically sexual crimes had risen in every single country that had taken significant numbers of of asylum seekers and for which we had the data. This was significant because most had been on a downward trajectory until the last few years.

Sadly I think the thread was deleted as can't find using search. It had data from loads of European countries showing how things like groping, sexual coercion, etc had sharply risen and how with many of the big incidents police and authorities had tried to cover up - e.g. saying that NYE 2016 had been 'largely uneventful' despite 1200 women having been sexally assaulted in the one evening and a similar story at the festival where 40 young girls (mostly <16yo) had been sexually assaulted by a group of 50 asylum seekers.

There seems to be quite a lot of data to suggest that asylum seekers are over-represented in violent crime figures.

The calculations with the figures in the Security Report show that refugees and asylum seekers under suspicion actually account for a higher proportion of recorded offences of aggression and offences against sexual self-determination than the rest of the population.

https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-true-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-clearly-over-represented-in-both-sexual-assaults-and-aggression-offences/

In 2019, for example, Germany’s Office of Police Crime Statistics (PCS), after listing many politically correct caveats, acknowledged that asylum-seekers represented an above-average share (9.7 percent) of all suspects in cases of “rape, sexual coercion, and sexual assault in particularly serious cases including those resulting in death.” Meanwhile, asylum-seekers constitute no more than 1-2 percent of the total German population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/02/13/when-europe-ignored-sex-crimes-of-immigrants-all-women-suffered/amp/

I just took a quick look at that study and the figures they're analysing are from over 20 years ago (2002). Recent figures seem to tell a different story tbf.

Any place that hosts/ homes all men/ mostly men in trying circumstances seems to affect the immediate vicinity in a negative way.
Near me in Camberwell, London there was a homeless hostel that was mostly housing men and it only lasted a few years due to the inability of the men to have too much " act right" about them.
Then there was the day centre for alcoholics on Camberwell Church St that is now something else.....again mostly visited by men who had little " act right" about them.
Groups of non child males , especially those with little investment either in themselves or society do not need to be accommodated either in residential areas of any socio economic stripe or near to vulnerable people.

Idle grown males singularly or in groups rarely have nothing of the wrong'un about them. Home grown or not. No

I didn't hear about the boys at the music event....

Dozens of reported sexual assaults in 2014 and 2015 at We Are Sthlm, a youth festival in the Swedish capital Stockholm, were not publicized by the police. The Stockholm police had received 38 reports of sexual harassment at We Are Sthlm in 2014 and 2015 together, from female visitors at the festival, most of whom were under 15 years of age,[1][2] but had not publicized these reported harassments in their press releases then.[3][4]

Police spokesperson Varg Gyllander in 2016, during the commotion about the 2015–16 New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany, suggested that this non-reporting in 2015 and 2014 may partly have been caused by the police's fear to "talk about these things in the context of the immigration debate today".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_Sthlm_sexual_assaults

The original text mentioned a group of 'around 50 asylum seekers' but seems to have been edited. There's loads of similar incidents throughout Europe if you look on the Wikipedia page for the NYE 2016 sexual assaults in Germany.

I don't have an issue with things like race/religion/etc but I agree with Hirsi-Ali that we have a tendency to not apply our values to certain demographics, especially minorities.

IMO if people want to move here then they need to respect our cultural norms and not engage in mass sexual assaults like happen in the middle east - read about the 'circle of hell' and the reporter Lara Logan's experience in Egypt (warning: it's tough reading as she was raped for almost half hour by a crowd of men in what they call 'the rape game' - 'taharrush gamea').

The 1200 sexual assaults on NYE were a recreation of taharrush gamea. I'm pretty wary of men from these cultures tbh especially in groups.