Men’s Asylum seeker accommodation next to school

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I feel quite ashamed by how I feel but want to know if it warranted.

There has been an announcement that a 500 men’s asylum seeker accommodation is going ahead against councils decision (it was overruled on a national scale). This is Stafford btw

It will be butted up to (no gap) to my DCs school and opposite a nursery. It’s not because they are asylum seekers that concerns me. It’s the fact it’a 500 men unit, with many with no known history / criminal records/ mental state.

I work over an hour away and currently my daughter who is 12 walks to the bus etc, she also does after school clubs then walks home alone. Most parents at the school are talking about moving their kids but in reality and logistically that’s not going to happen.

I genuinely feel scared for her safety. AIBU?
Its the location of it that’s wrong and the fact the council stated issues and concerns so refused it but got overruled by the government…

Yep. The amount of money being sent to Albania from organised crime in the UK is astonishing. And British children are also being criminally exploited to make this money.

I would guess such a building use would not happen in Suella Braverman's constituency.

The Stafford MP is a Tory. There is interim and dispersal accommodation in every single local authority in England.

On the subject of the centre being "250 yrads from a police station", just how high do folk suppose the chances are of the police leaping into action if an offence - even a very serious one - is reported among this particular demographic?

It's sometimes as if nothing at all was learned from Rotherham et al

FFS. I understand MN is predominately left wing but I can’t work out whether people are being deliberately disingenuous or are just stupid.

Do posters really believe that the immigration crisis currently engulfing the whole of Europe is due to “Tory mismanagement”
and “Brexit.”
Are the Tories in power in France where there are migrant riots almost every year? Where vast areas of Paris and Calais are now essentially slums?
Are they in power in Germany where women can no longer take part in street parties or celebrations for fear of sexual assault? Do you think it’s now not happening because the media don’t bother to report it anymore?
Or Scandinavia where their whole society and culture is having to change to ‘accommodate’ the delight that is the misogynistic culture of the African / middle eastern men that dominate the migrant population.
Did Greece brexit too then as small boat crossing to their islands have increased over 400% in the last 5 years?

Or could it be, just maybe, that the spread of information across the world due to the invention and then increasing accessibility of the internet means that millions of people would like to leave their countries that are generally rife with endemic corruption and war (usually in the name of some religion or other but actually about power and money) for Europe/western society. Because these countries are actually pretty good as the world goes.

By the mid-2022, all around the world there were:

• 32.5 million refugees and
• 53.2 million internally displaced persons (due to conflict and violence).

They can’t all move to western counties.

People are going to have to do the hard stuff that every westernised countries people did in the past. Fight, overthrow, vote, protest until their own country ‘develops’ and takes on the values they want and be part of the economic development of their own country.

This is not a “Tory issue” 🤦‍♀️

I agree that the left likes to make this a party political issue because, well, because they usually have no ideas of their own.

But the Tories have lied to the public. It’s clear that with Labour, you will get open borders, that’s what they believe in. The Tories, though, have lied that they would control immigration and have done the exact opposite. It’s completely within the government’s power to lower these numbers. They just don’t want to.

I think it’s very important that we acknowledge this. Our government DOES NOT want to control the borders. They want mass immigration to show economic growth even through GDP per capita drops and everyone already here gets poorer. And they want to do this because they have failed the economy through corruption. Borrowing and printing money to funnel it to their cronies.

I love everything about your post.

All this is doing is contributing to the sinking of the UK, which is already struggling.

And women and girls as they so often are will be the first casualties. But nobody really cares.

I think you are spot on, @Zipidydodah .
Also, @JamSandle - it is women and girls who will pay the price.

It’s clear that with Labour, you will get open borders, that’s what they believe in.

Something to look forward to.

Superb post, Zipidydodah

It's true the various "sides" try to make this a party political issue, just as they do with anything where there's a chance of a vote, but to suggest that's all it is scampers along the margins of the surreal

For me it's an area that needs proper adult conversations, but good luck with that when the subject's so emotive and offers so many chances for mudslinging

Not sure about that.

It is of course absolutely the case that women and girls will suffer. But the criminal gangs are predominantly targeting boys for criminal exploitation.

Both sexes are paying a price here.

Brilliant post @Zipidydodah

It's also been stark to see Ukrainian people stay and fight the Russians while the women and children have been sent away.

Surely that's the right way round?

Yes. But Ukrainian refugees are already well supported to enter the UK under the Ukrainian sponsorship scheme aming others. Ukrainian nationals displaced by the war aren't asylum seekers in the UK.

The difference with Ukraine refugees is that we know who they are, they were approved before they were permitted to enter the UK.

Id imagine alot of them would like to return home once it’s safe too.

Of course it's a terrible idea. I have never understood the appetite for accepting asylum permanently from countries with social values towards women that are so different from our own. What's the upside for the UK in that?

Brilliant post that sums it all up. 👏👏

I haven't seen any of these facilities as I live in Central London (we have our own problems here) but are these people just hang about all day on the street? Are these facilities not secure? I thought our glorious government is worried these pesky asylum seekers will escape and is keeping them behind high walls?

I would wait and see what is happening, if it is a problem I would complain, report it to the police and if things get really bad - move my kid to another school. You also have to keep in mind that it will probably take a couple of years for the facility to be up and running, and a lot can change in this time.

Also, for the people saying "why they are all man" - yes, a lot probably come to earn money for their families (which is a terrible crime, I know); but you have to keep in mind how dangerous the journey is - a lot of females and kids just don't make it. Sad reality but young men are the fittest and survive what weaker mums and kids would not.

Yes, but I'm sure that you can see that women and girls are more vulnerable for obvious reasons.

And the prize for satire goes to……

Your opening line says it all. The rest is just predictable soundbites.

Not in the case of child criminal exploitation.

Which is why boys are targeted more often.

CYPSS, the Police, schools etc will automatically flag up girls for obvious reasons as you say.

Boys reported missing from home, boys found on the street in the early hours, boys found in the company of unrelated adults are all treated as at less risk than girls.

It makes sense of course because the automatic concern about girls is sexual abuse and exploitation, which is happening.

But boys are being exploited by criminal gangs because they are boys and raise fewer concerns with the Police, CYPSS etc.

It's just fact.

Girls are not attractive prospects for criminal gang activity because they draw too much attention from authorities.

Virtually all of the referrals to the NRM process in the UK for under 18s are boys. Very few girls are involved.

@Gooniesnecersaydie - that's terrible. I have studied some of this during my recent safeguarding training. It doesn't mean that girls and women aren't impacted. It just means that the overall situation is completely shit and very, very alarming.

Completely shit you're right!

So much of it is societal views about gender.

Where girls are more commonly seen as victims of older children or adults and boys being more responsible for their decisions and actions. Even if they're both under 18.

Girls hanging about on the street late at night or in the early hours would be reported to the Police if the reporter chose to, as they would usually worry about the girls safety.

Boys would usually be reported because the reporter was worried about what that young man was getting up to and is he doing something criminal?

@Gooniesnecersaydie - we have gangs in our city using children as young as 9. They sell vapes in schools. Where I teach, they're selling cannabis.

Exactly. More people should be out there protesting at these centers and hotels, getting it out there and sharing news about the harassment and attacks of young girls by these animals. Obviously some are genuine but the majority of them just seem to be there to game the system. The country really is going to the dogs and if you say anything about it you must be a racist 🤷‍♂️