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To marry a man I'm not in love with

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Blabber1 · 07/07/2023 17:00

I'm 37 and have chased career and my heart my whole life. My "career" is basically a non- starter and I still live like a student. My ex was the love of my life but the relationship was a disaster from start to finish and I never want that type of life again.

I've met a man who loves me deeply, earns very well although inconsistently because he's freelance, wants to let me stay at home with babies, wants to take care of me etc. He's from a southern European country and very regular holidays are going to be par for the course. We just went away there for 2 months and he wants to go back in September. He paid for everything.

He is the person I should theoretically marry, and he's the only one I ever seriously considered having children with. But I'm not in love with him. I hate this phrase but I have A LOT of love for him and we get on amazingly well. Me and "love of my life" argued and fought viciously all the time.

My best friend told me the love in her marriage had died and the only thing keeping them together is the substratum of mutual bond and respect and the kids. She says what killed them, among other things, was finances. She said if he can give you a good life then go for it, because the crazy heady days go and then you're left with reality.

So, I've never had crazy heady days with this guy but the point is those will go anyway. He is absolutely lovely and gentle, kind, strong, generous to a fault etc. Help me. Am I making a mistake marrying him when I'm not in love with him, but love so many things about him, and he can give me a life I only ever dreamed about?

OP posts:
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 07/07/2023 18:22

bumblebee fine and dandy if both are on board with it. If OP tells her partner that she doesn't love him but is happy to go ahead - and so is he - then no more worries.

Proceeding when only one party knows is sheer deceit.

SayHi · 07/07/2023 18:23

I’m ignoring the sex pest part as that would be an immediate end to the relationship if it were me.

How long have you been together?

Theres a big difference between lust and love.
And many people have lust in the early days and mistake it for love and then it never truly turns to love.

It doesn’t always have to be ripping each others clothes off 3 times a day to be a relationship that works.

Unfortunately your relationship with your ex was toxic and now you don’t know what’s normal.

Depending on how long you’ve been together then I’d give it some time and aww how you feel.
You don’t fall in love within a few weeks.

If it’s been less than a year I’d stick it out for a few more weeks as most people wouldn’t fall in true love within a year.

If it’s been more than 6 months then I’d realise this is working and move on, especially if you want kids.

VinoVeritas1 · 07/07/2023 18:24

Yes to what @LyingWitchInTheWardrobe just said as well. In your heart of hearts you must know it’s not fair on him. Let him go & find someone you do love. And you will.

RestingMurderousFace · 07/07/2023 18:26

I was in a similar situation 20 years ago. I chose not to marry him. It was probably the wrong decision in my case to be honest.

Think carefully and choose wisely.

TumbleweedRolling · 07/07/2023 18:27

Well, ’love’ rarely lasts anyway.
And usually what people mean by ’love’ is just a mixture of loneliness & horniness.

So, I’d say go for it.

BigSkies2022 · 07/07/2023 18:27

He wants to marry you for your passport and will likely treat you like dirt. He doesn't sound great.

Eh? If he's an EU citizen, and OP is UK, surely she would want to marry him for HIS passport. It's the one that opens up access to the whole of the EU!

Blabber1 · 07/07/2023 18:27

He is horny all the time. When he's like that then every interaction becomes about sex. I just want a fkn cuddle sometimes. I can't stand it. I will initiate sex because I want to but his constant need is really driving me away. I've talked to him about it, he understood for a few weeks but then....

OP posts:
Blossomtoes · 07/07/2023 18:28

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 07/07/2023 18:22

bumblebee fine and dandy if both are on board with it. If OP tells her partner that she doesn't love him but is happy to go ahead - and so is he - then no more worries.

Proceeding when only one party knows is sheer deceit.

Love and being in love are two totally different things. The difference is one lasts and the other doesn’t.

becarefulofyourheart · 07/07/2023 18:28

NC for this because it’s hard to write.

Speaking from sad experience. It’s not a bad idea to marry someone who you know is a good person and who will treat you well, even with a few mental reservations. Nobody’s perfect, right? It’s interesting to read your updates, particularly about your childhood and the Love of Your Life. I relayed to your initial post and recognised a lot of the factors you mentioned. My dad spent twenty-five years knocking my mum around, and he also aged out of it. They’re still together and pretend none of it happened. I wonder whether you’ve ever been in therapy, and have considered how much damage that’s done to the way you view relationships.

You speak a lot of truth(or your friend does) about how certain things fade, and what is left can often be enough to sustain a marriage. To stay faithful and married to someone when you no longer want to be (in the absence of infidelity/abuse on either side) is a tough choice, but not an unusual one. It’s a less common decision than it used to be, but I know from reading on here there are a lot of marriages that fall very short of loving, but are not bad enough to blow the whole thing open.

That said, I’d be really really wary of marrying someone who you can’t imagine living without. When I started reading your OPI thought ‘I bet she doesn’t really fancy him, she probably talks herself into it.’ Then I read your update. You sound ambivalent. Sex pesting. Sometimes you fancy him and sometimes not so much. That won’t get better with familiarity, babies, ageing and all the other things that kill desire. You might find what’s intermittently pleasurable now slides back to bearable and then quickly becomes repellent. Then what?

I agree with you about the beauty of his sentiment about how your family life could be, that’s very appealing, as do many of the other attributes you’ve mentioned. In some ways he sounds marvellous. I also married a man who was handsome, in his own quiet way, solvent, kind, a very nice man, my friends all think he’s wonderful; but I knew deep down that he wasn’t right for me. I reconciled it to myself that if all else failed, the most important thing was he was kind and would never hurt me.

Now, nearly two decades in, we are sexually, emotionally, completely adrift from one another. I can’t bear the thought of him seeing me naked or touching my skin. He is stubborn as a mule and lives in denial about many problems we’ve had over the years. Sex got worse after children, then worse again, and now we’re in a contact-free marriage and live as friends. We are resigned, I suppose, that this is it. It’s not very pleasant to consider but it is a commitment.

For the most part we’re kind and decent to one another but I know I’m not showing my kids how wonderful marriage can be and I’m very aware we’re potentially wasting our best years. Even if we never split, we have only one life, and this is how we’re spending it. Sometimes I look at him and think ‘what was I thinking?’ Of course, if we hadn’t married, our lovely DC wouldn’t exist. So I’m glad we did, but I also wish we’d called it a day when we first realised it was effectively over. I wonder what the eventual fallout will be for them. We’d be through the worst of it now and out the other side. Then again, who knows what greater damage we might have done to our kids if we had introduced other partners, split the home, and all that entails. This doesn’t matter to you, but I just want you to really think about the worse case scenario before you take an irreversible step and bind yourself forever to this man by joint parenthood. You don’t know how he’ll be when it goes wrong.

TL;DR I don’t think he’s for you. Don’t walk knowingly into a life-long compromise.

nameXname · 07/07/2023 18:28

How would you feel if he lost all his money and the advantages that could bring you?
How would you feel about caring for him if - heaven forfend - he developed a tragic disabling/disfiguring life-long condition?
How would he treat YOU if the same thing happened to you?
How is he going to cope with the massive physical/emotional changes in you that motherhood might bring? To say nothing of the sleepless nights etc.
How would he feel if the pair of you could not have children?
What is his residency/immigration status? How does it depend on a marriage to a UK citizen?
Most important (1): do you LIKE him? Do you RESPECT or even understand him (and his values) and where they come from, even if you do not always agree with them? If his values are not yours, do they conflict with yours?
Most important (2): Are you prepared for a MAJOR mindshift: in most marriages that work, life is all about care and thoughtfulness and compromise. No longer 'What's best for me?' BUT 'What's best for both of us? ' and 'What's best for the children?'
Most important (3): As many others have said, the sex-pest business is very, very concerning.

PomegranateRose · 07/07/2023 18:29

Blabber1 · 07/07/2023 18:27

He is horny all the time. When he's like that then every interaction becomes about sex. I just want a fkn cuddle sometimes. I can't stand it. I will initiate sex because I want to but his constant need is really driving me away. I've talked to him about it, he understood for a few weeks but then....

And, in the nicest possible way, you think signing up to a lifetime of this is a good idea? Potentially bringing children into the equation?

You and any children you ever have deserve a better relational foundation for a family than this situation.

Hidinginaonesie · 07/07/2023 18:29

If I’m right that you ‘love’ him but do not think you are ‘in love’ with him then I say go for it. Many relationships lose the ‘in love’ bit quite quickly and settle happily into love and respect.
If, however, there is no love on your part in any way, then it would not be fair to him in the long run.

Blackpasta · 07/07/2023 18:31

Emm, you are 37 and settling down for a life with babies, but maybe it's too late and then what? He wants babies and you can't give them. It's 50/50 chance it goes well and you don't love him. Could you be with a man childless you don't love and he with a woman who doesn't produce his children? You could be thrown aside like an old shoe as we say in The Netherlands.

Comedycook · 07/07/2023 18:32

I'm thinking you should marry him. He sounds great.

I actually think more women should think about practical aspects when choosing a life partner. We have been fed an absolute load of shite about romantic love and finding your prince and being swept off your feet.

Marrying a financially solvent, kind man is pretty sensible

chohiad · 07/07/2023 18:32

Argh that's so hard. I mean I don't really know what we mean when we say "in love", it's all a bit conceptual isn't it. I love my DH; he's my best friend and I fancy the pants of him- I just know he's one of my favourite people who I want to be with most of the time and we make a great team. We have similar values, and we've built a good life. That's the stuff that matters to me. Does any of that resonate with you? On the one hand do not marry someone who isn't one of your favourite people, it is doomed for failure, but on the other don't chase a feeling you might be overstating and unrealistic.

GarlicGrace · 07/07/2023 18:33

I voted YANBU but the sex pest behaviour worries me. Do you mean you're withholding and he's getting awkwardly desperate for physical affection, cuddles, sex?

If so, you need an attitude adjustment at the very least. In arranged and 'traditional' marriages, sex is taken as a given - and a duty, which must be performed with good grace and as much enthusiasm as you can possibly muster.

You seem to be considering a marriage that is transactional, on your side if not both. You must understand that this transaction includes meeting his needs for emotional AND physical intimacy. If you won't or can't provide, this isn't going to work and you'll be hurting the man you claim to care for.

I agree you seem to have been somewhat dishonest with him so far. When I had a conversation along similar lines, he was all eager to make it work - but it just became clearer to me that the emotional compromises I'd be making weren't worth the money or the guilt. To me, that is: he's now married to someone who needed the financial stability so much that she's readily slotted into the space he had for a wife. Maybe you're more like her than me. But you really need to address this openly!

Joeylove88 · 07/07/2023 18:33

I personally couldnt marry anyone unless it was love. What if you marry this man and down the line you meet and completely fall head over heels in love with another person but you already have children and it all becomes very confusing and messy? I mean I know this can actually happen in marriages that started with love too but maybe try to think about whether you are willing to sacrifice ever meeting your true person. I know that you may feel like that could never happen now but noone ever knows what's around the corner. No judgement from me though. There are plenty of people who marry for security/money and openly admit they do! It's really whatever you want your life to be!

bringmorewashing · 07/07/2023 18:34

Are you me? I could have almost written this post, right down to the details about him being from a southern European country and the previous disastrous relationship!

I met this guy who ticked almost every box - good looking, kind, hard working, financially secure, good at housework and keen on getting married and having a family. The only problem was it was never the crazy, sparks flying, can't sleep, romantic idealised version of love we're always told is needed.

I spoke to a wise friend about it who pointed out that romantic love is not everything and getting married for practical reasons is also ok, and was in fact pretty standard until a few decades ago... His own parents got married for very practical reasons... this is much more usual in his culture, so we were both upfront about discussing the reasons for choosing to get married, as opposed to just living together.

We've been married for four years now and we've done an awful lot together that we couldn't have done alone. I also have a better standard of living than I would alone, and so does he. I don't believe in "the one" though and think we could have a happy life with any number of different partners.

It's not for everyone but there's nothing wrong with that choice. Marrying a lazy, drunken, disrespectful man who contributes very little because of "love" is seen as perfectly fine and normal by many!

BartholemewHolmes · 07/07/2023 18:34

Comedycook · 07/07/2023 18:32

I'm thinking you should marry him. He sounds great.

I actually think more women should think about practical aspects when choosing a life partner. We have been fed an absolute load of shite about romantic love and finding your prince and being swept off your feet.

Marrying a financially solvent, kind man is pretty sensible

Even someone you think is a sex pest?

Sounds like a poor foundation

I wonder if the sexes were reversed people would say marry. She loved him but him just wanting security.

huntingcunting · 07/07/2023 18:35

Blabber1 · 07/07/2023 18:27

He is horny all the time. When he's like that then every interaction becomes about sex. I just want a fkn cuddle sometimes. I can't stand it. I will initiate sex because I want to but his constant need is really driving me away. I've talked to him about it, he understood for a few weeks but then....

OP, you absolutely cannot marry someone when you are describing sex like this.
I can't stand it
Well, that has to be the end of the relationship doesn't it?
That is never going to get better. You aren't sexually compatible. You don't fancy him enough.

And I'd be very wary of this:
I've met a man who loves me deeply, earns very well although inconsistently because he's freelance, wants to let me stay at home with babies, wants to take care of me etc. He's from a southern European country and very regular holidays are going to be par for the course. We just went away there for 2 months and he wants to go back in September. He paid for everything

If this is a country like Albania the cultural differences are much greater than you might think, it's in Europe after all. But the way of life, the attitudes of a lot of men towards women and so on are different and it's something to really think about. I'm probably going to get yelled at for stereotyping Albanians - I've just picked that example because a friend of mine married an Albanian and he talked in exactly the same way as your partner is about wanting to look after you, supporting you in whatever you want to do etc... but when it came down to it, my friend's husband expected that she stay at home with the children and tried to sink her career and the whole thing ended up in a massive mess and divorce of course. The financial implications of which are still rumbling on years later.

But to be honest, all of that is irrelevant because you aren't sexually compatible.

Comedycook · 07/07/2023 18:35

BartholemewHolmes · 07/07/2023 18:34

Even someone you think is a sex pest?

Sounds like a poor foundation

I wonder if the sexes were reversed people would say marry. She loved him but him just wanting security.

Yeah I take it back...I hadn't read the ops subsequent posts. Yikes.

DIYandEatCake · 07/07/2023 18:35

I think the wedding vows ‘for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health’ are worth thinking about. How would you feel if he had a serious health condition and needed your long-term care? How would you feel if he lost his job and struggled to get another, and you lost your comfortable lifestyle? My relationship with my dp is pretty dull these days, we’re middle aged and boring and tired, but I know that whatever happened we would look after each other and get through it together. I think it’s also worth considering how you’d feel if he wanted to move back to his home country with you, and also whether you’d be happy as a sahm - how does he feel about women generally? What if you wanted to rekindle your career, would he be supportive? I don’t think it’s healthy to go into any relationship when you still feel that someone else was ‘the love of your life’, and it’s not fair to not be completely open with someone when you're both considering a serious lifelong commitment.

LivinDaylights · 07/07/2023 18:35

I think it's unfair on him to be married to you. How can you live a lie your entire life? You only want to be with him by the sounds of it because its a cushy life to stick with him, I mean what happens when someone comes along who is the full package? Do you just drop this one then? Or if he loses his income, if you don't like what's left when you take the lifestyle he is offering away, well you shouldn't be marrying this man.

When you say he's a sex pest, is he actually or do you feel like this because you don't really fancy him, so sex is a chore? Calling him a sex pest makes him sound obsessed with sex, is it more that you just don't want sex with him full stop?

chohiad · 07/07/2023 18:41

Note to self: read all of OP's replies first!

OrwellianTimes · 07/07/2023 18:41

Blabber1 · 07/07/2023 18:27

He is horny all the time. When he's like that then every interaction becomes about sex. I just want a fkn cuddle sometimes. I can't stand it. I will initiate sex because I want to but his constant need is really driving me away. I've talked to him about it, he understood for a few weeks but then....

This sounds like the deal breaker OP.

As it stands you aren’t sexually compatible. You could try couples therapy to help, but ultimately you’re making it clear you don’t really want sex with him, he has a high drive and doesn’t channel it well - this is not a good base for long term happiness. You will both be miserable and resentful.