To ask how you think the UK will survive these?

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Linked to another thread but I don't want to take that one off on to too much of a tangent.

Things don't feel brilliant in the UK right now, it's not the first time we've had 'bad times' though.

However I feel it's different this time because we have four massive looming global changes coming...usually when you're in 'bad times' there aren't four much, much bigger problems already on their way.

I'm interested in how people think the UK will fair, I spend a lot time trying to understand / imagine what the world will look like after some of these things but haven't remotely wrapped my head around what all four combined would look like?

The four things I see on the horizon are...

• The impact of climate change (personally I think 1.5c+ change is pretty inevitable now)

• The aging population / huge decrease in working age population

• The potential for AI to become more intelligent than humans

• The decline of the West and rise of the East

The people funding it aren’t the wealthy millionaires

You can say that again.......

Bet you've never been to Albania.
These "Britain is the shittiest country in shittonia" threads are soooo tedious and ill informed.

This country is will be a developing country like in the old communist Easter Europe by 2040. It is widely expected that our economy will be smaller than Poland’s by 2035.

Govt corruption will continue, much as it has done for the last 25 years but they don’t try and hide it anymore.

The way that welfare tax credits were introduced by nu Labour to help their lobbying friends suppress wages started a devastating cycle of low productivity in this country that has led to our economy’s rapid decline. They then went on give away our billions to their friends on a war where the infamous weapons of mass destruction didn’t exist. Finally the billions printed on behalf of the taxpayer to give to banker friends while our economy never recovered from that shock.

In the last few years, the corruption has been so brazen, it defies belief. Healthy people locked up in their houses, while even more money printed than was printed in 2008 and several hundred million borrowed to line more pockets. The inflation that followed conveniently all blamed on Ukraine as though borrowing and printing a trillion £ to ‘save the NHS’ by locking up healthy adults had nothing to do with it. Of course the energy industry also needed their windfall so they did very well out of it billions paid to them through artificially high prices and government ‘helping’ pay our bills. Let’s not even talk about Ukraine. The defence contractors had a had a few lean years, so they needed to be taken care of. What could be more helpful to them than a war in Europe. Next? If you missed out on by not investing in big Pharma, big oil or big defence in the last few years, you still have time to get on the gravy train. Invest in these green companies. They are due their share of cash ripped off from the taxpayer. Or you could get into the asylum business. After all, there is a whole industry in housing, hotels, security and law around migrants who are being actively encouraged.

Consider this, half of all spending in this country is spent by the government. It’s not money they created through enterprise. It’s either money they have borrowed or printed, destroying the economy and stoking inflation or money that people in tax. What do we get for that? Can anyone name how that money is being spent well. Where does it all go? And why people keep calling for more to be spent without questioning where it all goes.

Perhaps you and all the like minded could go and jump in the sea. That would start the whittling down.

This. ^ Funny how people (UK born Brits,) are so vocal about how loathsome and vile this country is, yet they don't leave. If you're not going to leave, then put a sock in it. You're BORING!

Yep this! ^ Like the people who loathe the UK so much but won't leave, the ones who have this 'human race should all die 'stance are not so quick to jump in the nearest lake with a 2 x 3 concrete slab strapped to them are they?!

How would these people feel if we had a post apocalyptic type situation - and half the world's humans had to die, and the powers that be came to them to volunteer (before they started picking people!) Are these people going to volunteer, and let their parents and children and husbands go to their death? LMFAO. As if! 😆

We are better placed than most, I think.

1. Climate change- we are lucky enough to live at a latitude where climate change is unlikely to make our climate unliveable. We may attract a lot of climate migrants but that will help with 2.
2. Depopulation/ageing population. We have been insulated from the effects of this by strong levels of immigration. We have had a below replacement birth rate since the 70s. Immigration has bolstered our working age population and left us far better off than a number of other countries in this regard.
3. AI- is potentially a problem, but no reason it will be more of an issue for the U.K. than anywhere else.
4. The decline of the West and rise of the East- I don’t think there will be a rise of the East. China’s window of economic opportunity is closing and they are on the brink of a period of rapid depopulation (especially in working age adults) that they are going to find impossible to reverse and painful to mitigate. It is going to be incredibly rapid and they aren’t attractive to migrants in the same way Europe, the US or New Zealand might be. Even India now has a below replacement birth rate and negative net migration. Their population is expected to begin shrinking around the middle of the century. It’s actually Africa and the global south that is entering a window of economic opportunity with a large working-age population and small older demographic. I think worries about the domination of China were premature and don’t reflect the demographic reality that China finds itself in now.

The decay of democracy is equally concerning - giving up democratic rights to organisations like the EU, UN and WHO seems to be promoted by politicians of all stripes who seem to prefer the exercise of power without being accountable.

THIS and these organisations have many far left individuals. Check their backgrounds. It is very concerning.

What's so scary about Africans? I don't think Europe has anything to fear, it's not like Europeans have ever done anything to harm Africans or the African continent. We do not need an invasion of uneducated people bringing up more poverty and having 5 kids at least.

I agree with you generally. AI may well mitigate issue 2

In the long term depopulation is surely good. There are far too many humans on the planet already and it seems ridiculous to keep adding more to cope with the existing ones.

Global depopulation will happen and will begin by the end of the century. Only Africa has any real population growth left to do, and its fertility rate is also declining rapidly (as always happens when infant mortality declines and life expectancy increases).

China’s population is projected to fall by as much as half by the end of the century.

Depopulation will help to reduce global carbon footprint but also presents economic challenges, especially when it is rapid. So countries that manage to slow their rate of depopulation and prop up their working age population with migration will be far better placed than those like China who have relatively low immigration and a fertility rate that has declined at a truly alarming rate. They have very few young people who will be reaching working age and a huge population bubble about to reach retirement. They really are facing a huge economic challenge. Add to that a huge imbalance of males to females in the population ratio among younger people and their fertility rate per woman is even more alarming. They have 1.28 births per woman. 2.1 per woman is generally considered replacement rate, but that’s in typical countries where women are a little over half the population. In some age brackets Chinese women are only 46% of the population.

Our economy is far better placed because we aren’t going to have the same cliff edge scenario that they will. Our baby boomers have reached retirement age at a time when immigration propped up the working age population and softened the economic blow. We’ve had a far softer landing,

1. were very far north. When it gets bad enough the whole world will be up the creek. We'll probably all fucking die together.

2. more immigration to fill the tax void.

3. if AI becomes more intelligent hopefully they like humans!

4. more people will move East.