To ask how you think the UK will survive these?

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Linked to another thread but I don't want to take that one off on to too much of a tangent.

Things don't feel brilliant in the UK right now, it's not the first time we've had 'bad times' though.

However I feel it's different this time because we have four massive looming global changes coming...usually when you're in 'bad times' there aren't four much, much bigger problems already on their way.

I'm interested in how people think the UK will fair, I spend a lot time trying to understand / imagine what the world will look like after some of these things but haven't remotely wrapped my head around what all four combined would look like?

The four things I see on the horizon are...

• The impact of climate change (personally I think 1.5c+ change is pretty inevitable now)

• The aging population / huge decrease in working age population

• The potential for AI to become more intelligent than humans

• The decline of the West and rise of the East

The main problem for Europe is mass immigration. The people who are so thick to call for open the borders to any kind . The quality of life have massively gone down the hill for importing the worse rather than people with desirable skills to the U.K. This will get worse with Labour and yes the interference from the UN, WHO and organisations with very left wing members are a big part of the problem. Start checking the background of the people in charged of these organisations.

People still taking flights abroad for holidays piss me off. How are people able to jusyify it to themselves? Yes we drive cars, yes we eat meat but flights are a huge carbon polluter and completely a choice! People are stupid and selfish. Mass immigration is the consequence for people fleeing increasingly unstable countries , poverty and climate change. I think the UK will become almost a lifeboat for too many people. But compassion must win, people don't flee for nothing.

There are loads of growing, friendly climate action groups working to hold these big players accountable - you say you feel like you can't do much but if everyone who felt like you got involved the govt would be much more likely to listen.

As this thread shows, the majority of people are concerned about climate change and do care, we just all need to act on that. Even if it's just signing petitions and going on the odd march. There's power in numbers.

Your bamboo toothbrush or low traffic neighbourhood isn’t going to matter a jot. Why do people insist on this nonsense. UK generated less than 1% of global emissions.

And this ignorance is the problem

Do you know who they are funded by?

Just stop oil funded by oil barons, yes that right. And XR funded by one of the largest hedge funds in the world.

Cue the outrage and attempts to explain that it’s not what it looks like. It’s not rocket science to follow the money and see whoever finds a cause and benefits most in the long term is owning the direction of the argument.

The answer is I dont know i dont have any expertise in any of those areas.

What annoys me is they are clearly major, well documented issues and they dont seem to be addressed in a meaningful way by either major political party.

They should be consulting experts and then providing aletrnative road maps of how these could be managed for the electorate to vote on.

Instead is all rearranging deckchairs of the same domestic issues the've fought every election on during my lifetime.

The UK still has very challenging binding reductions targets which can only be met if we do things like walking and cycling more. If you see that as nonsense that's on you.

Not the point. Being defeatist isn't the right approach either. See previous point re flights "oh but I only have one holiday a year'..... Yeh, you're still contributing a huge amount in carbon!!

The UK cycling its way to reducing global emissions. It’s not just nonsense, it’s embarrassing. and pathetic.

The ageing population is hitting us already, too late to fix really.

A huge amount? To Less than 1% of global emissions. It can be spun however you want, what we do makes 0 difference. That’s right. 0 difference.

• The impact of climate change (personally I think 1.5c+ change is pretty inevitable now)

We are an island with a navy, I can see us being grossly unpopular but I can't see us accepting destabilising migration.

• The aging population / huge decrease in working age population

If we can't afford it then the state pension won't rise and restrictions will be placed on the NHS. Again not nice but not the end of the world as the current generation have been told to save private pensions.

• The potential for AI to become more intelligent than humans

AI is a tool it's only as intelligent as the task it is asked. Not a threat to the current younger generation.

• The decline of the West and rise of the East

Migration to the east is possible but I also don't see china as sustainable long term without the west to fund it through buying. If we become sustainability driven the east is in trouble

All in all, this country will continue to see weak economic growth, standard of living will continue to decline and we will become a crackpot economy like Greece or Italy in the next decade or so. Halfway there already. Anyone who can get out, should do so.

this pretty much

We could act together now to mitigate and adapt ...

I think while we are fed unimportant news (Partygate) and pitched against each other (immigration) the big shots can continue to collect the big buck in their bank accounts.

I'm not saying these things aren't important. But while people are happy to get worked up about this, they can forget about issues like climate change. They can continue driving their cars and consume things wrapped in plastic.

"they don't need to migrate"

It's estimated that if the world temperature rise hits that 1.5c, 45 MILLION people could be displaced, many from Africa. That's a shit load of migration! How many of them will be wealthy enough to get across to Europe now these places are "on the rise"? More importantly, if you care about all humanity, how many will die? How much worse will it get and how much quicker if the govts keeps doing sod all about it?

So give up, it doesn't matter.

What's so scary about Africans? I don't think Europe has anything to fear, it's not like Europeans have ever done anything to harm Africans or the African continent.

yeah, don't guess this bit. Plus we will have only old people so actually need immigrants

Wise choice.

African countries are on the rise. They don't need to migrate. India, Bangladesh, several south American countries too. They are young and fresh and have got their own thing going on

true

We all know (I hope) that it's systemic govt driven change we need, not just bamboo toothbrushes... As said on this thread we are seen by some as a "world leader". We don't hold the weight we used to as a nation, but we're still punching.

If the UK govt took decisive action on climate change, there would also likely be a ripple effect that would lead to other nations and citizens taking notice and making their own changes because of our standing.

We are an island with a navy, I can see us being grossly unpopular but I can't see us accepting destabilising migration.

Atm we’re gridlocked in politics with the HoL stopping most changes.

It will change as no I don’t think citizens will accept it. I don’t think they will in Europe either but whether it can be stopped or just more volatility.

We will be unpopular though, and that might be destabilising in itself

I think the biggest worry is some sort of social media driven rebellion/riot/ chaos driven by false news - at the moment disgruntled teens can summon up a few hundred mates to throw stuff at the police. Imagine if that grew so there was eg groups on Watsapp that were determined to overthrow or destroy the police/ a community/ a town/ parliament and had thousands of followers.
Once you reach a large enough number there wouldn't be police to deal with it. In Paris they had 45,000 police in Paris to deal with riots.
I think less attention paid to Tweets etc would be the way to go.

Why true if the own thing going on includes becoming more uninhabitable?

I don't believe everyone in Africa, India, SA etc will need to migrate. They are going to become more powerful though.