To ask how you think the UK will survive these?

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Linked to another thread but I don't want to take that one off on to too much of a tangent.

Things don't feel brilliant in the UK right now, it's not the first time we've had 'bad times' though.

However I feel it's different this time because we have four massive looming global changes coming...usually when you're in 'bad times' there aren't four much, much bigger problems already on their way.

I'm interested in how people think the UK will fair, I spend a lot time trying to understand / imagine what the world will look like after some of these things but haven't remotely wrapped my head around what all four combined would look like?

The four things I see on the horizon are...

• The impact of climate change (personally I think 1.5c+ change is pretty inevitable now)

• The aging population / huge decrease in working age population

• The potential for AI to become more intelligent than humans

• The decline of the West and rise of the East

@celeteeleste what’s the spray? I have a fly problem at the moment <misses point of thread >

It's dire. And to add to the list, space weather/activity is also a threat to pur way of life in the future.
We're fucked in every direction. I would like to be optimistic for my kids, I really do 😔

Meh...... We've been through worse.

Climate change does make a difference because of the mass migration of tens of millions of people and the instability of food sources given our huge reliance on imports from countries that may not have the water / temperatures to reliably produce the same food.

Im very familiar with the topic of AI. AI as it stands today is fine...

I have an IQ of 155 and I cannot understand quantum physics no matter how hard I try. Einstein had an IQ of 160ish. That 5 points difference is huge...

AI is predicted to be able to get to something like 1600 IQ in the coming years. Imagine that in the hands of the wrong people...

Thats without talking about Artificial General Intelligence and singularity which is a whole other ballgame.

What's so scary about Africans? I don't think Europe has anything to fear, it's not like Europeans have ever done anything to harm Africans or the African continent.

That’s nice you have an IQ of 155 OP. I am not as brainy as you, however it seems to me the solutions are:

• population control
• controls on AI

Humans will find solutions. They always do.

PP who mentioned Albania - what would be wrong with that? (apart from they are rather car-obsessed)

Where would you go though?

France - riots and no plan to deal with state cost etc

Spain, Italy, Greece - all struggling in their own way

US - no chance

Scandinavia - tricky to move to and also quite close to Russia in parts

New Zealand would be a fairly wise choice. Relatively small population compared to land mass, temperate climate and far away from everyone else.

I agree OP, it's a terrifying prospect and I can't see that there is an answer while there are emerging countries wanting what we have now. Why wouldn't they? Politicians are only interested in their term in power, not in making unpopular decisions for the greater good.

Get the Tories out.
Utilise our people and environment to develop science and medical advancements that can be exported.

I hear what you’re saying. I’m generally positive but yeh there’s some big stuff incoming with the four things

This is the funniest thread l ever read on here.
I think your fearful mind will harm you more than these so called future events.
The solution is simple, we do what we've always done, we adapt.

Watch these videos by Steven Pinker and you'll agree the world isn't becoming worse but the spread of bad news has become easier.

https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_is_the_world_getting_better_or_worse_a_look_at_the_numbers?language=en

Humans are more disconnected in our communities therefore open to indoctrination by the media and end up accepting values that are amoral to a strong society.

Do not be sending everyone our way please!!!! We like having a relatively small population.

Stay away people, you would hate it here.

Anyway, we are definitely being affected by climate change, so much flooding now, some parts of the country have already had over their usual annual rainfall amounts already this year. We also have an aging population plus the current ills facing the rest of the world.

African countries are on the rise. They don't need to migrate. India, Bangladesh, several south American countries too. They are young and fresh and have got their own thing going on. China and Russia have tapped into this already and have created their own banking union inviting a few key players along.

For Europe, it's too late and we're too old, population wise. We'll be busy looking after our old people with dwindling worker resource due to catastrophic low birth rate while they rise. The UK will be worse affected due to not having the buffer of the EU and also having a relatively unequal society with poor public services to begin with.

Obviously this is just what I think but I'm thinking it based on how economic structures are looking.

Climate change won't affect us so much, initially. Maybe outmoded tourist places like York will go underwater in 100 years or so, but these places are mostly places that people go to get drunk in, not economic power houses, so mostly people won't be inconvenienced.

Look back at scriptures (any religion) the world has ALWAYS been ending as long as we have records of what people thought

It hasn't yet.

It might, good chance it will and various reasons why. But that was the case 40 years ago too and so far... not yet

I do my bit I can have any control over. I vote, recycle, try to reduce my carbon footprint and try to be kind to the people in my life and beyond that I try not to stress

My parents lived from the 1940s to the 2020s. I often used to tell them they got to live in the best years. No big wars. Plentiful jobs. Affordable housing. Free healthcare and dentistry. Free education. Increasing freedom and rights for women and minority groups. Very little racial or cultural tension. Not too many cars on the roads. Kids could still play outside safely. Families lived in the same area and there were grandparents, aunties and uncles on hand to help with the kids.

The peak of Western civilisation was probably mid 90s. Then by the turn of the century it started to decline. 9/11 happened and all of the subsequent issues with terrorism. House prices shot up. Student loans were implemented. Illegal immigration became an ongoing problem. NHS started to fall apart. High unemployment and loss of heavy industry. Streets are no longer safe. Kids are in childcare ten hours a day because both parents need to work just to afford to live and the grandparents can’t afford to retire. Then Covid and the cost of living crisis. Going forward climate change and mass migration is going to be a big issue, unless Russia nukes us first.

I don’t see much hope tbh. I think Western civilisation will cling on for the remainder of my lifetime, but my kids might have to emigrate to somewhere like NZ or Canada. I don’t want grandkids, there wont be a world that I recognise for them to live in.

I think the UK will do better than most other developed countries and will remain a world leader in most matters. The problems you highlighted are suffered by all other developed nations and we have plenty of talent in the country to come up with solutions. Re climate at least we started off cooler than some other countries.

I’m more worried about the energy companies forcing single parents (hi) into debt atm.
Climate change, I’m optimistic after being brought up being warned about holes in the ozone layer then told it was fixed with no fucker making any difference.
Ageing population, I’m getting there, give me another 30 years.
AI, fuck that. I’m shit scared of robots so I hope this comes along after my time.
West vs East, meh.

Surely the mass migration will mean we have more people of working age?

China have massively invested in renewable energy and appear to be turning the corner on pollution.

As we export a lot of our pollution we should pay to support the shift and invest in maintaining the rainforest.

AI should help us do all this.

@Acheron..pretty sure there was a big war in the 1940s!

We could act together now to mitigate and adapt but even tiny changes like low traffic neighbourhoods bring out the worst in people who cannot hear the slightest inconvenience. Anyone who is not actively working for change is continuing tactics of climate delay.

Economically Africa and India are on the rise economically but how much will climate change make them uninhabitable?

I think the UK will do better than most other developed countries and will remain a world leader in most matters. The problems you highlighted are suffered by all other developed nations and we have plenty of talent in the country to come up with solutions. Re climate at least we started off cooler than some other countries

Hiya Boris!! How's it going?

A quick google shows that climate change may affect human fertility so as panic stricken as I am about climate change, for the animals and my childre, I feel a bit like I cant do much about it.we all talk about holding big players accountable but then enough people buy fast fashionable and idle engines that, as a population, we aren't communicating how important a shared goal is.

Theres a collective passivity.

Plus, how much can we really do when there is an attitude of "why should I give up something I like when other countries are worse. Its true, they are. But a lot of places are a lot better.

Basically, as individuals, noone wants to make a big sacrifice but I'm.sire there will he regrets on some of our deathbed when our pregnant grandchildren are facing the consequences.