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Advice please - coercive control?

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rosesarentred3 · 06/07/2023 14:54

I'll start by saying if anyone recognises me from other threads I've created under a different name, please do not put those links on this post as all the info added together would make me easily identifiable to friends and family.

After being in my marriage for 10 years, I can see now that I believe my partner is controlling. I see a therapist who feel strongly that this is happening.

There are too many examples to list but I'll list a few:

Starting random arguments about my family out of nowhere, it literally could be anything. Then DP says to me 'see, look, we're arguing because of them, look at what they're doing to us! We shouldn't have contact with them'. This is about various family members and friends. DP has fallen out with many members of my family so it's awkward to see them.

If I leave a wrapper on the side, DP will be annoyed at me, tell me off, go on and on at me about it. But then does the same herself. If I said something she'd go mad.
The other week I said one night that I was going for a shower abr her response was 'does this kitchen look clean to you? Can you honestly say this is clean? Clean the kitchen before you have a shower'.

Saying what clothes to wear and not wear. I put on some summer pants and DP says 'you really look big in them. Honestly, if you're conscious about your weight I wouldn't wear those, they make you look massive'. I'm a size 10. Not that that matters.

My work is extremely confidential. DP will ask me for confidential information about my work saying 'if you don't tell me then you don't trust me' and will badger me about it and eventually not speak to me for long periods of time because I haven't divulged information.

Tells me regularly I wouldn't survive without her. What would I do without her? How did I manage before? etc.

My confidence is so low. I rarely see my friends. I've lost loads of friends since is being together.
DP told me when we first got together that some of my friends who I saw all the time had been speaking about me behind my back saying awful things and made sure we broke ties with them so I don't see any of them anymore.

Will get really mad at my family and say it's just because she's trying to protect me. Even though there's nothing to protect me from.

We have a child. When I was pregnant she insisted that she take the shared parental leave because I'd had enough time to bond with the baby while I was pregnant so it was now her turn. So I returned to work after having the baby. I cried to dp and said I really wanted to be with the baby and couldn't bear the thought of leaving her. But this just turned into an arguments where DP would cry saying she wanted time off with the baby.
A part of me felt like it was the right thing to do because DP continuously told me I wouldn't manage on my own, that I'd probably forget to do what I needed to do with the baby etc. and I really started to worry that would be true and agreed for her to take the leave instead.

Anyway - what I wonder is, what do I do now? I feel like I can't be in this relationship. I don't feel loved. I haven't ever felt loved in this relationship. Do I just leave? In which case this means selling the house and sorting shared custody etc.

Do I try to spend some time building my confidence first? Making friends? Going out more? Meeting people?
I'm always at home. I work at home. Then when I'm not working, I'm always with DP to the point where I now feel extreme anxiety whenever I go somewhere without DP.

Today I was planning a day with DC. DP then started a big argument with me, slagging of my family again etc.
however, I came out.
Is it completely pathetic that I feel chuffed with myself for coming out? I wasn't as anxious as I usually am. Years ago, I wouldn't have batted an eye at coming out on my own.

It all feels such a mess.

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scoobysnaxx · 22/08/2023 19:28

Yes I agree with PP, you need to inform nursery of the referral to MARAC asap.

Pack a bag and leave.

Don't discuss anything further with her.

Record what you can.

Communicate only via email/text if possible.

Everthenever · 23/08/2023 09:06

What's happening now OP? I hope you don't mind, but I've been praying for you 🙏 keep us updated.

FrazzledMCPremenopausalWoman · 23/08/2023 13:23

Asking as gently as possible... why are you still in the house OP? You've been given an offer of alternative accommodation at your mum's, you're worried about making phone calls while DP is around, she's disturbing your sleep, you're worried about her taking DD out of nursery. The sensible option is to simply pack a bag and get out, sort everything else out after.

Zoreos · 24/08/2023 12:24

Hope you’re okay OP, been thinking of you a lot. I hope you’re safe and well. 💐

rosesarentred3 · 24/08/2023 13:38

I have received a phone call today from my Mums Friend to say that my partner showed up at my mum's place of work to talk to her. They have been chatting for the last hour.

No doubt she is trying to talk my mum into talking me around, telling her I'm making a big mistake but my mum knows the majority of the story now I will not be taken in by any of this.

I was on the phone to solicitors when my Mums Friend phoned me so I had to end the call quickly because I knew it would've been something serious as she never phones me.

I have also had an email from my Therapist who has advised me that she has made a referral to MARAC and she has provided me with some details of safe houses if I need to go to them, as well as the domestic abuse helpline is that I have already phone and logged information with.

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rosesarentred3 · 24/08/2023 13:41

@scoobysnaxx

She would never put anything incriminating in a message. A couple of nights ago she sent me a text message telling me that I am her whole world and she loves me more than anybody and she really wants to make this work and she is willing to go to therapy and change.

Around one minute after she sent me this text message she was sat there swearing at me and telling me how easier her life would be without me in it. She will send me lovely messages saying how much she loves me so she knows what she's doing.

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MisschiefMaker · 24/08/2023 13:42

God she is so cunning and calculating!!

LifeExperience · 24/08/2023 13:48

OP, that confusion you feel is because of her coercive control. Please leave this relationship.

Whiskeypowers · 24/08/2023 15:24

Confiding in other people about you and how they are worried is classic controlling behaviour. My ex did it to my friends and family. It didn’t work.

If your therapist has made this referral then you really ought to strike while the iron is hot so to speak. She is becoming more concerning in every one of your posts.

it’s an awful place to be you have my every sympathy and empathy.

Bitterballen · 24/08/2023 15:44

FrazzledMCPremenopausalWoman · 23/08/2023 13:23

Asking as gently as possible... why are you still in the house OP? You've been given an offer of alternative accommodation at your mum's, you're worried about making phone calls while DP is around, she's disturbing your sleep, you're worried about her taking DD out of nursery. The sensible option is to simply pack a bag and get out, sort everything else out after.

Agree. OP how can you be helped into taking the next step, engaging with DV services and going to your mums? What would help you feel able to do it?

Daftapath · 24/08/2023 15:48

Once you move out and have no face to face contact, the only way that she will be able to communicate with you will be by text or email. She is much more likely to write something abusive then. I imagine that she won't be able to hold herself back from doing so.

rosesarentred3 · 24/08/2023 16:20

My mum has contacted me to say that when my partner went to go and see her today at work, she told my mum that I have depression, that I won't be able to cope and look after my daughter, I have never cooked a meal for us and I have never cooked for my daughter. All of that is not true.

And she said that just because I am the birthmother that does not mean that I have the right to stay in the house.

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MisschiefMaker · 24/08/2023 16:31

I suppose it's good that she's giving you a heads up about what all her arguments are going to be during custody discussions.

Next time you're preparing lunch or dinner while watching the kid make a cute little video of the child with you talking through everything "look! This is cheese! Do you want to hold a CARROT? Ooh, it's orange!" Etc. Make sure there's no sharp knives in the video that she might use against you of course.

scoobysnaxx · 24/08/2023 16:48

rosesarentred3 · 24/08/2023 16:20

My mum has contacted me to say that when my partner went to go and see her today at work, she told my mum that I have depression, that I won't be able to cope and look after my daughter, I have never cooked a meal for us and I have never cooked for my daughter. All of that is not true.

And she said that just because I am the birthmother that does not mean that I have the right to stay in the house.

How bloody predictable. Classic planting of the seed. She's only giving you more information to go off.

To be honest it doesn't matter if she's never abusive via text. Abusers are clever, they often don't.

The overwhelming amount of coercive and abusive behaviours will put the "niceties" into context. Services will often see this pattern and won't be fooled.

Have you reported to the police/moved out?

As PP said, what is stopping you and is there anything that will help you to make these actions?

RandomMess · 24/08/2023 16:54

I hope you told your Mum that all that is bare faced lies.

rosesarentred3 · 26/08/2023 15:03

I've logged it with the police. I am terrified and shaking. I regret doing it already. I really wish I hadn't and now it's too late.

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Zoreos · 26/08/2023 15:22

Well done OP, you should be so proud of yourself for your shining courage and although it’s scary you’ve done 100% the right thing. You’re taking steps to retake control of your life for you and for your DC. They will have a happy home with you and grow up knowing what true love and respect is. You don’t need permission from anybody for safeguarding your peace and your safety. Right now you are clouded by your love for a toxic person. Soon when you’re out of it you will see the shocking crimes that the woman who should have your best interests at heart has committed against you. I know you probably feel like you’re being disloyal but you’re undoing all the damage she’s caused you and there’s nothing disloyal about that. Stay strong, you’re nearly there.

Everthenever · 26/08/2023 15:23

Well done op!

Everthenever · 26/08/2023 15:24

What did the police say?

scoobysnaxx · 26/08/2023 16:15

You did the right thing. 100% fact.
Your feelings and thoughts right now are skewed as you are the victim of such abuse. You have been trained essentially to think this was a bad idea and you're a terrible person for doing this.

This isn't true. Not one iota.

Well done. It must've been so hard.

ONE DAY YOU WILL THANK YOURSELF. Know that.

Mamma2017 · 26/08/2023 16:38

Well done OP you’ve done the right thing 100% keep going xxx

Wittyapple · 26/08/2023 19:30

it’s scary now OP but you’ve done the right thing. Let us know how you get on!

rosesarentred3 · 26/08/2023 19:31

I do feel incredibly disloyal. I'm so worried of what will happen next. She will probably think I'm insane for even suggesting that she has been coercively controlling me. The police said they will call me this week to take more thorough details.

I do really regret it. I'm so worried. I'm terrified it will come up on her DBS check for work. I really do regret it but I can't take it back now.

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Everthenever · 26/08/2023 20:04

rosesarentred3 · 26/08/2023 19:31

I do feel incredibly disloyal. I'm so worried of what will happen next. She will probably think I'm insane for even suggesting that she has been coercively controlling me. The police said they will call me this week to take more thorough details.

I do really regret it. I'm so worried. I'm terrified it will come up on her DBS check for work. I really do regret it but I can't take it back now.

This is the coercive control talking. I don't doubt that she would have done the same thing (except with lies) and will probably be kicking herself that she didn't get in there first.

Remember your maternity leave. Keep that anger.

Bitterballen · 26/08/2023 20:17

Well done OP, you're so brave. You have done the right thing, despite all her crap - you should be so proud of yourself about how strong you're being!

She will probably think I'm insane for even suggesting that she has been coercively controlling me.
It doesn't matter what she thinks. It's extremely clear she has coercively controlled you in some of the worst possible ways. She has made your life, and your DD's life, a misery through her abuse. What she has done, and what she continues to do, is a crime.

What is going to help you to leave the house? The longer you stay there, the worse things are going to get.