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To hate how mums always have to sacrifice their career...

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rumun88 · 06/07/2023 14:31

I have 2 kids .. one 18 month old and a 6 year old. I work in a cafe for an estate, one week day and one weekend day and there's no flexibility in that I have to do a weekend day.

I've been offered a job as a GP receptionist and I would love to take it. But it's only £10.42 an hour and with it being weekdays we would need to pay childcare. Basically with the summer hols coming up, childcare for both kids would cost more than my wage. DH will cover it, but part of me is thinking what's the point when it means I'm not bringing any money to the pot technically. I'd also have to have both kids in different childcare settings which are opposite side of town by 7.30am. In my current job he works from home the 1 week day and is home the weekend day so no childcare.

So I have the choice, take the new job and get my weekends back but don't exactly earn, keep my current job and work every single weekend.. or be a SAHM.

Please help. I could cry! I was a dental nurse before kids and again childcare was an issue. We have no family support.

What would you do?

OP posts:
SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:04

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:00

I think some people confuse 'sexism' with basic reality. It's like if there's even a hint of suggestion of any difference whatsoever in a marriage, or between men and women generally, it's just 'sexist' and that's it. Discussion closed..

Are you sure it isn’t you who is confused? What do you think sexism means?

If you think a man should financially provide because he’s a man (“what does he expect?”) then I’d love to hear how it isn’t sexism.

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:08

Sexism (to me) is about inequality of opportunity. It's not about a weird desperation to pretend men and women have to be the same, in every aspect or every situation.

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:10

I suppose it's 'sexist' that women give birth? I suppose it's sexist that women have different bodies?

Thepeopleversuswork · 07/07/2023 15:14

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:10

I suppose it's 'sexist' that women give birth? I suppose it's sexist that women have different bodies?

I'm not sure that you have a great grasp on what sexism or feminism are tbh.

Giving birth and having different bodies are biological reality and I've never seen any feminist deny that.

But it's quite a jump from "women are the only sex to give birth" to "women need to be protected and supported by men throughout their lives".

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:15

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:10

I suppose it's 'sexist' that women give birth? I suppose it's sexist that women have different bodies?

No. Men can’t give birth, that’s biology.

Women can provide for themselves financially. Expecting men to do it for them is sexist.

GCSister · 07/07/2023 15:16

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:10

I suppose it's 'sexist' that women give birth? I suppose it's sexist that women have different bodies?

No, but it is sexist if women are then disadvantaged because of this.
An expectation that women should taken on the bulk of childcare, sacrifice their career and rely on men to provide absolutely is sexist.

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:17

I never said women need to be supported by men all their lives. That's quite a stretch. But nevertheless, I think a man should be prepared to at least support a wife and child while she's breastfeeding and adjusting to being a mum. If we can't even expect that of men, why bother?

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:20

Is it sexist that all the scaffolders on my roof today are men? And all the builders? What about the men who delivered the furniture? Should I complain about this, or get up in the roof with them like a lunatic to prove a point?

I suppose in Ukraine they should have evacuated all the men and kept all the women over 18 to fight the Russians.

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:26

Thepeopleversuswork · 07/07/2023 14:54

@Lambiriyani

I don't think it's sexist. I think it's a good thing.

The providing for bit after marriage is good because in my view you're a team. I would expect my DH to protect me

"Why wouldn't I be able to defend myself". Well in general the men are the more stronger and physically fitter sex.

You believe that you rely on a man to both protect you and sponsor you. How can that not be sexist?

Sorry but I don't think I've seen anything closer to a textbook definition of sexism. 😀

It's not as if I as wife don't contribute to the marriage. I contribute in a different way

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:28

In a marriage a man and a women are equal in terms of respect. But have different roles.

Though I feel this has been a big digression from the subject at hand.

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:30

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:20

Is it sexist that all the scaffolders on my roof today are men? And all the builders? What about the men who delivered the furniture? Should I complain about this, or get up in the roof with them like a lunatic to prove a point?

I suppose in Ukraine they should have evacuated all the men and kept all the women over 18 to fight the Russians.

Sexism plays a part in why some careers generally are more ‘male’ or ‘female’, of course it does.

It isn’t a coincidence that most teachers, especially early years are women and it also isn’t a coincidence that more men are in STEM roles.

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:30

norestguests · 07/07/2023 15:10

I suppose it's 'sexist' that women give birth? I suppose it's sexist that women have different bodies?

What does that have to do with working 18 months down the line?

No one is suggesting women need to work a
week after giving birth, in fact they could take 12 months maternity plus 2 months annual leave.

After that the fact that they had a baby shouldn’t be any more relevant to the mother than the father.

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:31

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:28

In a marriage a man and a women are equal in terms of respect. But have different roles.

Though I feel this has been a big digression from the subject at hand.

Not my marriage.

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:31

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:28

In a marriage a man and a women are equal in terms of respect. But have different roles.

Though I feel this has been a big digression from the subject at hand.

Do they though? I can’t think of a single difference between my role in my marriage and my husband’s role in our marriage.
Do enlighten me?

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:32

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:31

Do they though? I can’t think of a single difference between my role in my marriage and my husband’s role in our marriage.
Do enlighten me?

Same here.

GCSister · 07/07/2023 15:33

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:28

In a marriage a man and a women are equal in terms of respect. But have different roles.

Though I feel this has been a big digression from the subject at hand.

Not in my marriage.

GCSister · 07/07/2023 15:34

Sexism plays a part in why some careers generally are more ‘male’ or ‘female’, of course it does.

Exactly! That was a ridiculous example to use to try and say sexism doesn't exist 😂

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:36

@SouthLondonMum22 It isn’t a coincidence that most teachers, especially early years are women and it also isn’t a coincidence that more men are in STEM roles

Although you aren’t wrong this is probably a terrible example to these particular posters who will no doubt think men aren’t made to teach young children and are just better at STEM. 😂 Jesus wept.

johnnydeppsslipper · 07/07/2023 15:36

I never sacrificed my career op.

My dc are teens and adult ages now and I have a successful business that I've worked at my whole life.

I paid childminder fees and spent sleepless nights with dc and then busy days working and it was absolutely hard work but I'm so bloody glad I stuck at it and did it or I wouldn't be here now.

I also vowed I would never put myself in a precarious position where I relied on anyone else financially in case the shot ever hit the fan.

theDudesmummy · 07/07/2023 15:37

I have not RTFT but it's such a cliche to say that mums "always" have to sacrifice their careers. I took precisely three months out of my career to have my son. I thereby kept my pension in a great state and did not lose out of career progression and building my business. My DH did sacrifice his career, as it made much better economic sense for him to do so. Which one of us was which sex did not come into the calculations.

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:37

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:36

@SouthLondonMum22 It isn’t a coincidence that most teachers, especially early years are women and it also isn’t a coincidence that more men are in STEM roles

Although you aren’t wrong this is probably a terrible example to these particular posters who will no doubt think men aren’t made to teach young children and are just better at STEM. 😂 Jesus wept.

But it isn’t sexist at all of course. 🙄😂

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:39

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:37

But it isn’t sexist at all of course. 🙄😂

It’s just nature! Your little lady pee brain wouldn’t understand.

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:40

Sissynova · 07/07/2023 15:39

It’s just nature! Your little lady pee brain wouldn’t understand.

Exactly. Human biology and evolution.

Men and women are different.

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:40

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:40

Exactly. Human biology and evolution.

Men and women are different.

You don’t appear to understand sexism or sarcasm.

Lambiriyani · 07/07/2023 15:41

SouthLondonMum22 · 07/07/2023 15:40

You don’t appear to understand sexism or sarcasm.

Ok you got me there

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