To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

[Baabaagreysheep]

I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

Oh please please please google which party has done best for the Uk economy before the next GE, for all our sakes.

This thread is like a walk through Daily Mail Land.

Yep

And who funds the Welsh assembly?

But your family does not exist in a vacuum. You are part of a society that encompasses all elements from street lighting to education to public health to crime to the environment. These wider issues impact on your family and their wellbeing as much as the pound in your pocket.

It's not 'the left's ideaological mantra' it's the world in which you exist.

I'd have taken chaos with either of the Millibands with hindsight. Somehow they managed to pick the wrong one, and then there was that bacon sandwich.

It was also a massive disappointment when Yvette Cooper didn't stand for the leadership, but I suspect she'd picked up which way the wind was blowing and knew Momentum were planning a putsch and things would only go one way. She kept her head down and has managed to stay one of the few competents on the benches. Starmer's not bad, he's just to bend-in-the-wind and knows that the party won't have his back if he has to take a stand on an issue.

It's a real worry, the number of people still lapping it up, despite all the actual evidence.

Keir says he isn’t putting up other taxes. Can you make those sums add up? Either he’s lying or we’re back in Liz and Kwasi territory tout de suite.

They’re great. No one convinces anyone but good for a go

I do like it when others post more succinctly the issue though and think tg others can see it

@MavisMcMinty There was an actual Daily Mail appreciation thread recently and I nearly cringed myself into hospital.

It's like the Daily Mail comments section has identified as Mumsnet.

@MavisMcMinty I was answering the question "Is your income your only concern?"

So do me a favour don't bother miss quoting what I said and trying to spin it into some thing I did not say. Save your breath, its a tired and worn out way of left-wing arguing.

Lefties are always the same 😴

I can’t and asked a strong supporter on another thread but they seemed to go offline after posting multiple times ; and I didn’t find out how

That’s all very well but doesn’t make what I said untrue does it. Just means they are also disingenuous.

You people never get less sneery, do you? Yet still you wonder why the people you insult don’t want to listen to you.
Daft stuff.

@AgathaSpencerGregson

So according to you, Keir Starmer is both fat and stupid?

Right…

The man who, as a lawyer, helped overturn the mandatory death penalty in Uganda, saving the lives of more than 400 people. He’s stupid is he?

The cumulative effect of his leadership has been to marginalise the left utterly, and draw a line between the Corbyn years and now.

Seems pretty smart to me.

(You remember Corbyn right? Divisive, prejudiced, sectarian, subjective, partisan, politically illiterate, naive, economical with the truth, antisemitic…almost destroyed the Labour Party? That guy. Well Starmer saved us from the smoking ruins of his leadership…)

Who are this 'hard left Labour' of which you speak? Certainly none of the current Shadow Cabinet. Has there been a hard left Labour government in the last 50 years?

The UK Government.

Let's put it another way.

Two Children are given pocket money to spend, one child saves some, spends some on luxuries and has some left over at the end of the week.

The other child, has the same amount of money, and spends it all in the first day on pointless junk.

Is it the fault of the parent that the second child is skint, and needing more money? Or is it on the child to ensure that the money is spent properly.

The Welsh NHS is not underfunded, it is poorly managed, end of.

Labour is just saying what it thinks the voter wants to hear. The Tories know that people want to punish them through their vote. Labour’s policies show that politicians do not believe the British public have the stomach or vision to deal effectively with any of the pressing issues of our time. Regardless, we can’t control what happens in the rest of the world, anyway, and have actively and dramatically reduced our influence on the world stage by behaving in ways the rest of the world has found either laughable or bizarrely self-destructive, so we’re doomed to be buffeted about by turbulent world events, having enthusiastically thrown away as much goodwill and as many lifelines as possible in recent years.

I thought starmer supported Brexit?

He won't say anything about Brexit being shit. He's not brave enough.

He'll be awful, probably as bad as the Tories. He'll spend his whole term being told he has to carry out petty bank raids on the middle.clasaes. If he significantly increases teachers pay I'll eat my hat. He'll do fuck all for schools either.

Couldn't agree more 👏

Someone is a tad too willing to believe his propaganda. The role of DPP is the biggest one he’s had, and he wasn’t a conspicuous success. Fair enough, actual criminal work is different from human rights poncery but in all honesty he shouldn’t have taken that job. His background is incredibly narrow, his grasp of economics incredibly weak, and yes, he is fat.

@DogInATent I'm not so sure she'd be the best leader - maybe I'm wrong - but I think she's well suited in her current role and the work she used to do on the HA select committee was phenomenal.

And pompous. I forgot pompous.

”you lefties are all the same”

”human rights poncery”

Ladies & gentlemen, I present to you our right wing friends and their level of debate.

I’m not wasting my Friday evening on this thread.