To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

[Baabaagreysheep]

I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

If you think people are sock puppeting or on a campaign just say. It’s pointless for pp to go on about this.

Some will vote Labour, some not - everyone is just putting their reasons. If anyone feels put out a poster has different reasons they just need to get over it tbh and join a Labour FB group or something

I think you meant a pp with this

Globally the UK is now know for inspiring the ‘moron risk premium’. It may be unkind but we’re all still paying it.

The USA almost instantly revived its global diplomatic standing when Trump went, we can only hope for a similar recovery by binning this lot off.

Kier vs whichever tories turn it is for star of the week - no contest as far as I’m concerned.

Is there a credible choice? I am certain there isn't right now. I don't want the Tory chumocracy, but nor do I want the idiocy that thinks the UK's small land mass can accommodate everyone who thinks it's a better bet than wherever they want to leave, for whatever reason. I understand they may have valid reasons for wanting to leave and live somewhere that human rights/LGBGTQ rights or religious freedoms are better observed and respected, but very frankly, it is essential that those individuals make their own homelands better places to live.

Known by who?

Johnson gets the most praise from Zelensky, certainly of any European leader. But I suppose that doesn’t count.

Meanwhile Macron is derided while France burns and Scholz is failing in Germany (the rise of the far right in Germany is very worrying).

And even if there was a lack of diplomatic standing with the UK government (there isn’t), I struggle to see any similarity between Sunak and Trump or Starmer and Biden.

OTOH, I guess trying to persuade dictators like Bashar al Assad in Syria to observe human rights is a hiding to nowhere, to name just the obvious. There is no way that Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan is going to turn into a modern state just because we'd like it to. So the people smugglers tap into any normal person's natural desire to find a stable, predictable environment and take the money.

Johnson gets the most praise from Zelensky, certainly of any European leader. But I suppose that doesn’t count

Are you Nadine?😁

BoJo committed. I loathe the man, but he got Ukraine right.

Boris Johnson is still PM? have I been dreaming?

I don't like to tell you this, but Rishi Sunak has been PM since late September.

You’ve unmasked me!

So, seriously, which important people say this about the UK government? Or did you just make it up?

The billions spent on public services do indeed prove that this government is not only “funding the rich.”
Tell me again who the idiot is.

Plus “5 years isn’t long enough.” 😆
getting the excuses in early

In a liberal (small L) democracy like Britain, there is very little difference between any of the main parties. Obviously, Labour have a worse track record on the economy, but the reality is that what happens in the UK is heavily influenced by what happens in the rest of the world, so it doesn't really matter which party is in Government.

So, seriously, which important people say this about the UK government? Or did you just make it up?

Entire world, looking in with bewilderment, like they were with Trump, the gimpoid freak that he is.

In all seriousness I think you’re misquoting me. Face facts- the U.K. govt is an embarrassment to the vast majority of the people who live here. Shambles sums it up. Nasty shambles.

Pp always go on about it on mn but other countries likely have their own issues to think about

Sorry, your comment quoted from mine to a different poster. My question was intended for Cornettoninja.

I’m interested in why you think Zelensky’s a fool though.

You think it could be worse? This bunch of thieving lying chancers have asset stripped this country down to the bone. Labour will be scraping up the remains then taking the blame for this lot's screw ups for the next decade.

Of course it will get worse. The markets will crash the day Labour get into power for a start.

I’m interested in why you think Zelensky’s a fool though.

I don’t think that though. I do think Johnson is a lying chancer that used his position to enact his Churchill ambitions, and his supporters then predictably saw him as the messiah.

Any Pm would been in support too.

I'd be happy enough to keep Ben Wallace as Defence Secretary. I think he's done most of the heavy lifting regarding UK support from Ukraine.

Of course now he's out of the running for the NATO job he might be more interested in leading the Conservatives.

And that's where we are - the Conservatives are not settled under Sunak. It's shifting sands.

The idea that Dorries can resign but also stay in post for however long all whilst throwing brickbats at her own party is illustrative at the lack of discipline.

There are some decent Conservative MPs out there but they are drowned out by Levido's culture wars mouthpieces.

I'm not sure Conservative members are in any position to pretend they keep the markets steady.

When will the next election be held do we think, out of interest? I know on paper it’s January ‘25 but will it be sooner?

No they won’t. They will kill productivity stone dead. Their only answer (like the Tories) is to put more burden on income tax. It’s already at that tipping point (as has been reported many times recently) that tax take would be higher if income tax was lower. Student loans, NI and income tax are making working more a bit pointless - especially at tax cliff edges.

But this government is regarded as morons by the “entire world, looking in with bewilderment”, according to you. So Zelensky’s praise for Johnson must make Zelensky a right clown, surely?

What does “any PM would be in support too” mean? Do you mean that any PM would have supported Ukraine as Johnson did? I doubt that.