To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

[Baabaagreysheep]

I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

Labour are no more honest and no more committed to high principles than anyone else

Bollocks. Labour haven’t been in power for some time.

Corruption under this govt has reached insane levels. I don’t remember allegations of this sort of stuff 15 years ago but now it’s embedded within the Tories. Countless dodgy deals and things that just… somehow turn out well for certain people.

Like KamiKwasi drinking champers with the bankers the day he crashed the economy.

The UK is now the most corrupt country in Europe- we have never featured inbtge corrut list. BJs government saw £5b of fraud, Rishi is at £21b of fraud already. His wife's fathers company was paid millions to test our phobws work. WTAF.

Why do people repeat this crap?

Is it from Twitter?

The trans shitshow happened under his eye the Tory's watch. Words are important, but they mean nothing when you put someone who can't define the word "girl" in charge of our children's education and a man who believes he is becoming a woman on to the Women's and Equality Com.

From an aging, cynical person (67, nearly), I think both political parties are prone to doing their mates favours, and fairly even handedly so. For every Tory PPE boondoggle, there's an equivalent local brown envelope being passed around among local councillors and builder-developers. I wish it wasn't this way, but unless and until we accept that talent expects to be sensibly paid, we end up with a real example a local councillor with a milkround in charge of running a quite big regional airport... it happened in Cornwall.

This thread reads like sock puppetry from Tory HQ.

Or Labour HQ

Actually one of the reasons the blair government was able to spend so much was because the Major government had left them such a strong economy. That was even one of the election slogans- Britain is booming, vote conservative.

ultimately the last labour government did overspend significantly and failed to regulate the financial markets properly. They also spraffed a huge amount on PFI that we are still suffering for now (same as the financial crash they helped cause). They did some good stuff but some bad stuff too.

I don’t know where you get £21bn of fraud for Rishi sunak from - what is this claim?

They don’t even repeat it very well.

Are you saying that Labour HQ have posters pretending to be Tory voters in order to put people off voting Conservative?

@Dibbydoos , yes, but only because Ken Clarke as Chancellor had turned the economy around from 1993, at immense pain for many people, with massive home repossession rates and mortgage interest rates that trended down from 9%. The economy was poised to fly, but Blair and Brown won the election. Brown's first budget, when he removed the pension dividend credit, forced pension funds into the DC mode, and his timing on the big gold sale could not have been worse. Not many Chancellors have the opportunity to get things so badly wrong.

Oh gawd

I’ll let you work it out.. it’s fairly basic

i grew out of seeing things in a one sided simplistic way in my 20s. At the moment we are the highest taxed we have ever been and we still are borrowing to make up the gap each year. The Labour Party don’t have any policies that would change things for the better for me.

all parties have their champions and devils on this issue. On balance though I think the tories have more support for women and children in this area.

The Labour Party don’t have any policies that would change things for the better for me

So vote Tory then. Watch your country continue to go down the plug hole, while wondering why you country is going down the plug hole

You may as well quote who you mean exactly as it’s a diversion to go on about sock puppets, I’m sure SM posts from parties goes on but most people are just posting how they feel.

Tax and spend

This is where I’m at, although maybe a bit more wary of Labour for various reasons (Wales, Starmer, Rayner) but generally the lack of coherent policies plus gender ID is a no

@SueVineer , the money may be doled out grudgingly, but it is doled out, and as one of the people paying in via PAYE taxed earnings (though modest) I like to hope that it is spent well.

Deluded. If Labour were a credible choice, people would’ve booted out the Tories ages ago. It’s been an open goal for the last few general elections 🤷🏻‍♀️

Or alternatively vote Labour then. Watch your country continue to go down the plug hole, while wondering why you country is going down the plug hole

We are at an all time low now.

Johnson
Clueless Sunak
Truss
Braverman
30p dickhead
Dorries
Patel
Mogg the Tuesday
Raab
All of Geebeebies and the toxic stuff that benefits nobody.

Dregs the lot of them.

Anything is better. Can we have the dolphin that beat Farage in a good cabinet role please. GE now for the good of the country 👍