To wonder if Labour actually will be any better?

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I think like most people I am keen to see the back of the current bunch, but I am not confident that anything will massively change for the better. Maybe that’s a bit pessimistic, but I feel that while some things will improve some will get worse - and some sort of at the same time, so I’m expecting my salary to go up but also my workload to go up!

Thinking back to when Labour were last in power it was another world, really. Interested in views.

It is rather depressing that some people think the answer to the UK problems is even more of this chaotic, incompetent cohort of Conservatives.🤷‍♀️

It’s a pity Starmer / Labour can’t scrape the same barrel even and state a basic fact.

Words are cheap. Actions are what’s important. After 13 years there are over 4 million children living in poverty and the use of foodbanks has risen stratospherically.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/382695/uk-foodbank-users/

The National Crime Agency investigation in to Mone & Family has finished yet as far as I am aware.

Yabu op.

The current government is by far the worst we’ve seen in modern times. Shambolic, destructive and utterly rudderless now. This is what a dead end road looks like: infighting and chaos and a whole load of nothing achieved. And the country sort of reflecting that.

So although I’ve not got high hopes for Labour, it’s an all time low that’s been set these last few years.

Huh? Are you suggesting the Tories would sue a Mumsnetter for making a post?🤯🤯🤯 Are they getting that desperate that they're trawling SM looking for people to take to court.😬

They aren't the Tories - that's clearly enough for a lot of people. I'd like proportional representation, like a lot of other people but we don't have it. The next best thing is a clean slate with another party. Give Labour a chance, why not. The alternative is more years of sleaze, corruption and culture war bollocks.

Half the Tory party hates the other half.

Actually that isn't fair, the divisions go well beyond that.

Great the alternative to ‘culture war bollocks’ that the left love, is gender ideology shite

No thanks

Michelle Mone and Alex Bourne are being investigated for corruption- of course no proof as yet but we will see. Dido Harding was just incompetent. Tbf there was a global shortage of key items during the pandemic. There was huge Covid fraud in Scotland too under the nationalists - it’s just the type of situation where it was ripe for exploitation.

There is corruption in all parties- the Labour Party too. The lib dems got a huge bung from a big pharmaceutical company that makes puberty blockers. And the SNP is being investigated by the police for fraud.

Prigozhins bot farms have been having problems for a week.

I’m so tired of ‘attack is the best line of defence’. I’m not interested in playing wanker top trumps, I’m just interested in not condoning a load of dunderheads who insist on wearing their twatishness on their sleeves and prove it again and again..

Face it, the tories have fucked up. Badly. There is no way back any time soon whilst we spend the next few decades trying to repair or accept the complete carnage they’ve wrecked on the country.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of parties and politicians ready and willing to take over. There’s no question that whoever is in the cabinet after the next GE will be subject to plenty of scrutiny and criticism too, as it should be. I’d happily put money on tax payer money being spaffed on lawyers all the time willl go down too.

I meant to say, they are apparently back again.

Unreal. 🙄

This is the sort of criticism that’s valid and hits home. Divided parties shouldn’t be in office. And I do think the Tories need opposition for their own sake.

It’s the nauseating moralising, propped up by the fantasy corruption claims, that the left makes that I think are so stupid. Labour are no more honest and no more committed to high principles than anyone else.

Have a look back at the MPs’ expenses fall out. It was hardly one-sided.

I was waiting for this usual labour trope, So I guess the conservatives are also responsible for the other EU countries too.

France
In total, around 3.5 million people rely on food banks in France. One provider, the Banque Alimentaire has over 100 branches in France, serving 200 million meals a year to 1.85 million people

Germany
50% increase in foodbank use
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-food-banks-turn-30-with-no-end-in-sight/a-64774302

Easy to claim the UK has these issues due to the Conservatives, its all bull. Every country in Europe has a form of Foodbank and every EU country in the EU has them even little Cyprus and Malta 🙄

There will surely be fewer people dying due to "austerity" and benefits cuts and NHS cuts under Labour, if they can manage to reverse some of the damage.

I’m gender critical and still the most important thing to me is to get the Tories out before they can do even more damage to the UK. The next GE won’t be far away, there’s still time to influence parties, and a lot has happened in transworld lately that’s made people sit up.

Voting for Sunak just because he said the three words “adult human female”, while disregarding every other Tory failing? Such binary thinking when they’ve done nothing to improve the lives of women and children.

50% increase is bugger all. Did you even bother looking at the graph showing the increase @chupachucks?

Actually words can be very important- someone who says women have penises and is in government can make law and policy that puts women and children in danger.

If Labour have any policy to reduce food bank usage it’s not something they’ve publicized. What is their policy on food banks?

I have no idea how old you are, but Labour did a brilliant job from 1997 for 5 years. I mean brilliant. The NHS had more funding and was performing well, the low waged, disabled, pensioners and unemployed all had more money and the UK was doing well. We even managed to skirt our way through the worst global recession for decades. Then WMDs hit the scene and everyone forgot just how great things had become in a short few years. Yes there was no spare cash but seriously we fended off a global recession and we are more in debt every time a tory government get in. You don't need to listen to me though, get tge stats out, read what the data shows. It's as clear as anything.

The UK is now the most corrupt country in Europe- we have never featured inbtge corrut list. BJs government saw £5b of fraud, Rishi is at £21b of fraud already. His wife's fathers company was paid millions to test our phobws work. WTAF.

Would it be better under Labour.

YES, most certainly.

I certainly find Yvette Cooper runs rings around. Stella Braverman.

To be fair so do most people.

It’s far easier to not be divided in opposition.

Labour can easily see rupturing in own party on a variety of issues. They are not in power so it’s much easier to side step.

The thing is the Labour Party do not have any policies that make a clear difference between them and Sunak on the issues that matter to me. They’ve dropped anything to do with the Eu, stopped any proposals to help students and they don’t have any policies to raise spending on health or education or coherent plans as to how they are going to pay for any increase.

but it is a known risk that they may put women and children in danger with their men’s rights policies. That’s important to me so I may not vote for them although I’m a natural labour supporter.