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To want to end relationship with my brother because I cba?

238 replies

MissChatterbox1 · 30/06/2023 10:53

Hello and thanks for reading.

Im going to sound awful for this post I know but I need to vent it and get impartial advice. I’m prepared for vipers.

Background: I have 5 half siblings. I grew up in the same house with 4 of them. We are all adults now with our own families and get on well but not close.
The fifth sibling was my dads son who is 15 years older than me and I did not grow up with and did not know or meet until after my dad died.

Met this sibling when I was 19 and they were 34. They have no other siblings.
He’s a nice man but due to the age gap and not being raised together we have 0 in common.
However due to him having no siblings he has tried really hard over the years to force a relationship.
He’s gone out of his way to make this happen. Travelling across the country to things like my graduation and the birth of my child. Sending presents and cards on birthdays and at Christmas. Always trying to ring me and arrange meet ups.
He has a wife and kids and they are also super enthusiastic to have a relationship.

Now this is where I feel an awful person. I do not reciprocate the feelings at all and find it smothering and a bit weird if I’m honest.
We have nothing in common other than sharing a dad neither of us really knew.
He makes more effort than me and my siblings do for eachother and is really over familiar. When he and his family come they insist on staying in my house when my own siblings get a hotel. I have a house with spare rooms so can’t really say no but it’s awkward.
They try and arrange joint family holidays which I make excuses not to do and send me drawings their kids have done in the post.

Because we weren’t raised together and there is a huge age gap it’s essentially a stranger trying to exert themselves into your life at every opportunity.
My other siblings I have little in common with but we have a shared history and familiarity so have our own banter and jokes and understand each others quirks and ways so I can spend a weekend with them and tell them to go away or whatever. When they’re being annoying. My nieces and nephews feel like ‘mine’ and it feels like family and not a weird chore i’m doing.

Since having my child my brother and his family have stepped it up a notch and constantly want to meet and be in contact as he’s an ‘uncle’ now.
Their kids ranging from 2 - 19 year old (massive age gaps) call me auntie and my DP uncle and it feels awkward as they are literal strangers.
My DB and his wife will try and give parenting tips on visits which comes across as rude as critical because there is no foundation of a relationship like our own siblings so it feels like a stranger/acquaintance saying it.

I have tried to distance myself over the years but they don’t get the hint. I don’t respond to calls and take days to reply to texts but they still persist. They will go through their calendar for that year until they find a date we are free for a visit even if it’s 6 months away. They send expensive and thoughtful presents for all our birthdays which makes me feel indebted to them to continue the relationship.
They've even tried to ‘book on’ to our family holidays when we’ve told them we’re going somewhere (saying they might come too and looking up tickets on their phone there and then, I’m not joking!).
They keep pestering to spend Christmas together which I’ve managed to bat off! We have loads of other very close family and now our own kids to be contending with, we don’t want to host strangers on top on Christmas Day and it’s weird they even want to spend such a day together.

I know it sounds selfish but I have loads of siblings already as does DP. Infact DP has 4 full siblings who also have families so between us we have loads of siblings, nieces and nephews which is difficult enough to keep up with. However my DB and his family demand more attention than all our siblings put together! Because they only have me as ‘family’ they put all their attention onto us.

I personally would be happy with just sending an annual Christmas card and seeing their updates via social media at most. I don’t have the time or interest.
But I don’t want to hurt them either. They are nice people. I understand they want extended family as they don’t have it, but I can’t provide it.

What do I do?

I’ve tried every kind of ‘drifting away’ method possible. I feel like the only way out is to have some kind of huge fall out and go no contact because they will go to such great lengths to maintain this relationship that there is no other way. Even if I up and moved to Australia I have 0 doubt they’d use their annual leave to visit annually. That’s how full on they are.

OP posts:
Asthebellcurves · 02/07/2023 12:14

Do you generally have issues making friends and developing relationships? I just ask because you’ve had a decade to become more than acquaintances and you feel like he’s still a stranger whereas he clearly has developed his interest, care and understanding. Clearly your family situation and childhood are complicated, but have you met anyone else since becoming an adult and made friends with them?

BishopRock · 02/07/2023 12:25

You sound horrible OP.

Not for viewing your brother as an unwelcome stranger, but for allowing the relationship to continue as it has for a decade without ever putting in place your own boundaries that would have solved much of your dilemma.

You could have had a different relationship all this time, he could have come to accept his fantasy sister didn't match reality and tempered his expectations over time.

I think cutting him out of your life completely now would be unimaginably cruel, but explaining to him you don't want phonecalls for instance would drop contact quite a bit.

Explain life has changed and your time constraints have increased or whatever, and cut back a bit more.

Sure, no one has the right to be involved in your life more than you want them to be. But for ten years you've gone along with this, so I think you have to take responsibility for that.

JMSA · 02/07/2023 12:32

Happyfluffball · 02/07/2023 10:03

I think you should engineer a giant fallout. It's the most reliable way to get him to leave you alone. His feelings might be hurt but he will get over it.

On what actual PLANET is this better than actually just being honest with the guy?
Jesus ...

MissChatterbox1 · 02/07/2023 13:06

UPDATE:

Thanks for the further responses. I have actually got an update.

What triggered my post initially was he and his family were wanting to come and stay yet again in a few weeks time. They have pestered me for this concrete date despite me trying to be non-committal such as going through every weekend this summer to see what dates I can do on the spot and there was only so many weekends worth of events I could make up on the spot. So I eventually ran out of excuses and agreed a date. This date is fast approaching.

I actually have a minor surgery scheduled around 2 weeks before and they weren’t taking the hint that it maybe wouldn’t be best they come whilst I’m recovering. This actually came up after we agreed the date.

After this thread I decided to put my big girl pants on and told them o was cancelling their weekend as I had spoken to my doctor and I wouldn’t be fit for any kind of activity by that weekend and therefore we would need to reschedule to some other time. I didn’t make it optional I just told them ‘I’m cancelling because of xyz so we’ll have to rearrange for some other time’.

It was in a group chat with them both I messaged. Well my brothers wife immediately read my messages and replied being understanding and wishing me well. My brother read the messages and wasn’t responding and hasn’t responded since. He’s obviously pissed off. His wife was then trying to pin me down to another date!

Now I’m at a crossroads here and think he has given me an ‘out’. From this relationship. If he was so kind and caring then why didn’t he wish me well? Or ask anything about my surgery like his wife did? He literally read all the messages with me explaining the procedure and recovery with 0 reply.

So I’m thinking I may just message him separately in a few days saying his lack of response to my pending surgery was disappointing and he has shown 0 care/support and that I’m now taking time to focus on my family and myself and will be distancing myself.

Thoughts?

OP posts:
Luxell934 · 02/07/2023 13:13

So I’m thinking I may just message him separately in a few days saying his lack of response to my pending surgery was disappointing and he has shown 0 care/support and that I’m now taking time to focus on my family and myself and will be distancing myself.

No I don't think you should do this. Thats really manipulative of you to be honest, after all he's done to make the effort with you. It's clear he does care and support you. Now you're trying to turn it around and make him feel bad.

It's pathetic. Grow the hell up and be honest with him.

MissChatterbox1 · 02/07/2023 13:21

@Luxell934 yes your probably right. I’m just desperate at this point! But yeah it probably isn’t the best idea.

@billy1966 @Mummy08m @Testina honest thoughts?

OP posts:
Happyfluffball · 02/07/2023 13:23

JMSA · 02/07/2023 12:32

On what actual PLANET is this better than actually just being honest with the guy?
Jesus ...

He might not go away completely and still try and negotiate for some contact which the OP doesn't want. I would tell him he's creepy and OP's family don't like him or his family. Can he stay away please.

Happyfluffball · 02/07/2023 13:26

MissChatterbox1 · 02/07/2023 13:06

UPDATE:

Thanks for the further responses. I have actually got an update.

What triggered my post initially was he and his family were wanting to come and stay yet again in a few weeks time. They have pestered me for this concrete date despite me trying to be non-committal such as going through every weekend this summer to see what dates I can do on the spot and there was only so many weekends worth of events I could make up on the spot. So I eventually ran out of excuses and agreed a date. This date is fast approaching.

I actually have a minor surgery scheduled around 2 weeks before and they weren’t taking the hint that it maybe wouldn’t be best they come whilst I’m recovering. This actually came up after we agreed the date.

After this thread I decided to put my big girl pants on and told them o was cancelling their weekend as I had spoken to my doctor and I wouldn’t be fit for any kind of activity by that weekend and therefore we would need to reschedule to some other time. I didn’t make it optional I just told them ‘I’m cancelling because of xyz so we’ll have to rearrange for some other time’.

It was in a group chat with them both I messaged. Well my brothers wife immediately read my messages and replied being understanding and wishing me well. My brother read the messages and wasn’t responding and hasn’t responded since. He’s obviously pissed off. His wife was then trying to pin me down to another date!

Now I’m at a crossroads here and think he has given me an ‘out’. From this relationship. If he was so kind and caring then why didn’t he wish me well? Or ask anything about my surgery like his wife did? He literally read all the messages with me explaining the procedure and recovery with 0 reply.

So I’m thinking I may just message him separately in a few days saying his lack of response to my pending surgery was disappointing and he has shown 0 care/support and that I’m now taking time to focus on my family and myself and will be distancing myself.

Thoughts?

No he might apologise and offer to change or give a good reason. Just tell him you want to go NC and have never liked him or his family. It's better to have a clean break and tear of the band aid in one go.

Luxell934 · 02/07/2023 13:27

@MissChatterbox1 Plus it could back fire on you massively. If you tell him he's shown a "lack of concern and support" for you. He might feel terrible and go all out to rectify his "mistake". Be honest. I feel so sorry for this poor man.

EvilElsa · 02/07/2023 13:28

You just need to be blunt now unless you want this silly faffing back and forwards until the end of time. Reply to the wife thanking her for her well wishes and say I won't be arranging any visits with anyone for the foreseeable future.
That's it. No need for explanations or protracted stories. If they message again asking, totally ignore and don't reply. If it's general well wishes messages and not about visiting answer as normal.

BishopRock · 02/07/2023 13:29

You sound really nasty OP, now using your operation to manipulate a scenario where you can tell him to get lost, all because you you never had the wherewithal to set boundaries from the beginning, and can't be bothered to do so now.

Luxell934 · 02/07/2023 13:29

@Happyfluffball Thats fucking brutal. Saying she's "never liked him" and he's "creepy".

I think theres a more tactful, grown up, kind, respectful way to go about this OP Surely you'd want the same courtesy shown to you if the situation was reversed.

BishopRock · 02/07/2023 13:34

I feel so sorry for this poor man.

Me too.

Maybe show him this thread OP, then when you cut him off he can see what you're really like and instead of wondering what he's done to upset you, he can see you weren't worth his time in the first place.

It's a win win, really, because it's nicely passive aggressive for you, you'll never hear from him again, and he'll have all the facts to hand about the real situation not the facade you've presented to him all these years.

Happyfluffball · 02/07/2023 13:38

Luxell934 · 02/07/2023 13:29

@Happyfluffball Thats fucking brutal. Saying she's "never liked him" and he's "creepy".

I think theres a more tactful, grown up, kind, respectful way to go about this OP Surely you'd want the same courtesy shown to you if the situation was reversed.

He is creepy and she has never liked him. If he wasn't biologically related to her he would be called a stalker or harasser.

JMSA · 02/07/2023 13:42

MissChatterbox1 · 02/07/2023 13:06

UPDATE:

Thanks for the further responses. I have actually got an update.

What triggered my post initially was he and his family were wanting to come and stay yet again in a few weeks time. They have pestered me for this concrete date despite me trying to be non-committal such as going through every weekend this summer to see what dates I can do on the spot and there was only so many weekends worth of events I could make up on the spot. So I eventually ran out of excuses and agreed a date. This date is fast approaching.

I actually have a minor surgery scheduled around 2 weeks before and they weren’t taking the hint that it maybe wouldn’t be best they come whilst I’m recovering. This actually came up after we agreed the date.

After this thread I decided to put my big girl pants on and told them o was cancelling their weekend as I had spoken to my doctor and I wouldn’t be fit for any kind of activity by that weekend and therefore we would need to reschedule to some other time. I didn’t make it optional I just told them ‘I’m cancelling because of xyz so we’ll have to rearrange for some other time’.

It was in a group chat with them both I messaged. Well my brothers wife immediately read my messages and replied being understanding and wishing me well. My brother read the messages and wasn’t responding and hasn’t responded since. He’s obviously pissed off. His wife was then trying to pin me down to another date!

Now I’m at a crossroads here and think he has given me an ‘out’. From this relationship. If he was so kind and caring then why didn’t he wish me well? Or ask anything about my surgery like his wife did? He literally read all the messages with me explaining the procedure and recovery with 0 reply.

So I’m thinking I may just message him separately in a few days saying his lack of response to my pending surgery was disappointing and he has shown 0 care/support and that I’m now taking time to focus on my family and myself and will be distancing myself.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that he knows it's just excuses at this point.

MissChatterbox1 · 02/07/2023 13:53

@JMSA if he knows this then why doesn’t he just go away?

If I thought someone wasn’t bothered about me I’d leave them too it. Who wants to force themselves around people who have no interest? It’s weird.

OP posts:
Cherrysoup · 02/07/2023 13:55

MissChatterbox1 · 02/07/2023 13:06

UPDATE:

Thanks for the further responses. I have actually got an update.

What triggered my post initially was he and his family were wanting to come and stay yet again in a few weeks time. They have pestered me for this concrete date despite me trying to be non-committal such as going through every weekend this summer to see what dates I can do on the spot and there was only so many weekends worth of events I could make up on the spot. So I eventually ran out of excuses and agreed a date. This date is fast approaching.

I actually have a minor surgery scheduled around 2 weeks before and they weren’t taking the hint that it maybe wouldn’t be best they come whilst I’m recovering. This actually came up after we agreed the date.

After this thread I decided to put my big girl pants on and told them o was cancelling their weekend as I had spoken to my doctor and I wouldn’t be fit for any kind of activity by that weekend and therefore we would need to reschedule to some other time. I didn’t make it optional I just told them ‘I’m cancelling because of xyz so we’ll have to rearrange for some other time’.

It was in a group chat with them both I messaged. Well my brothers wife immediately read my messages and replied being understanding and wishing me well. My brother read the messages and wasn’t responding and hasn’t responded since. He’s obviously pissed off. His wife was then trying to pin me down to another date!

Now I’m at a crossroads here and think he has given me an ‘out’. From this relationship. If he was so kind and caring then why didn’t he wish me well? Or ask anything about my surgery like his wife did? He literally read all the messages with me explaining the procedure and recovery with 0 reply.

So I’m thinking I may just message him separately in a few days saying his lack of response to my pending surgery was disappointing and he has shown 0 care/support and that I’m now taking time to focus on my family and myself and will be distancing myself.

Thoughts?

Gawd, don’t because he’s very likely to go over the top with demonstrating ‘care’ via yet more unwanted contact.

I would take this opportunity to go low contact, withdraw a fair distance. You don’t have to respond to messages or answer calls. When they demand to stay with you, tell them it’s not convenient-every time. Don’t agree to talk to their small dc on the phone, that would drive me nuts!

You have no moral obligation to spend time with this person, I’m forever seeing others on here being advised to cut contact with family members so the whole dna connection is irrelevant. He has put in an extreme amount of effort and while it probably is coming from a good place, it isn’t what you want. I don’t agree with forcing a relationship or giving in to his frankly invasive requests that stop you from doing what you want.

Don’t initiate new contact and when he messages, be slow to respond. You don’t have to get straight back to him or at all.

AcrossthePond55 · 02/07/2023 13:58

So I’m thinking I may just message him separately in a few days saying his lack of response to my pending surgery was disappointing and he has shown 0 care/support and that I’m now taking time to focus on my family and myself and will be distancing myself.

@MissChatterbox1

Lord, no! That could be taken to mean that you are disappointed that he isn't even MORE involved in your life!

It's also a lame excuse. No, you need to be truthful and honest with him. Something like;

"I've been meaning to have this discussion with you for some time now. I should have spoken up before, and I'm sorry I haven't. But our relationship needs to change. It has become too intense for me and makes me uncomfortable. I'm taking a step back and you will need to do the same. So in future there will be no weekly calls, no weekends at my house, and no more gift giving.

I appreciate that you may want a 'sibling' relationship, but I just don't see you that way. I've let things go on for far too long, but now I am making my boundaries clear. I'm sorry if this hurts you, but this is the way it will have to be if we are to have any relationship at all."

Of course, if you have decided to go NC, some of that will need to be changed. And if you know what level you'd feel comfortable with, say it; 'monthly calls', occasional get togethers', whatever.

You're being unfair to him AND unfair to yourself as well. Be honest and truthful, accept responsibility for letting things drift on the way they have. He can make up his mind where he wants to go from there.

Luxell934 · 02/07/2023 14:07

"why doesn't he just go away!"

You've allowed this relationship to continue for 10 bloody years!!!

Newestname002 · 02/07/2023 17:07

EvilElsa · 02/07/2023 13:28

You just need to be blunt now unless you want this silly faffing back and forwards until the end of time. Reply to the wife thanking her for her well wishes and say I won't be arranging any visits with anyone for the foreseeable future.
That's it. No need for explanations or protracted stories. If they message again asking, totally ignore and don't reply. If it's general well wishes messages and not about visiting answer as normal.

@MissChatterbox1

I think this is a very good response and you should consider it. No need to give reasons or excuses and gives you a chance to build boundaries so you don't slide back into similar situations with anyone (not just this family) in future. Keep repeating the message to them (look up "Grey Rock" which can be very affective in keeping people at bay). 🌹

billy1966 · 02/07/2023 18:04

Well done OP for pushing back.

Excellent suggestions.

To his wife @EvilElsa suggestion is very good and reasonable and could be answered in the group one.

I think @AcrossthePond55's response is perfect. Send it and be done with it.

"I've been meaning to have this discussion with you for some time now. I should have spoken up before, and I'm sorry I haven't. But our relationship needs to change. It has become too intense for me and makes me uncomfortable. I'm taking a step back and you will need to do the same. So in future there will be no weekly calls, no weekends at my house, and no more gift giving.

I appreciate that you may want a 'sibling' relationship, but I just don't see you that way. I've let things go on for far too long, but now I am making my boundaries clear. I'm sorry if this hurts you, but this is the way it will have to be if we are to have any relationship at all."

For anyone to expect an hour of your time a week on the phone, including face timing their children, is just extraordinary.

billy1966 · 02/07/2023 18:15

I agree with no futher discussion on the group WhatsApp, and then mute it.

After sending @AcrossthePond55's I would refuse to engage futher. You have a surgery to prepare for.

It is an indicator to your stress levels with this, that you are viewing the surgery as a useful out.

With someone as singularly determined to be in your life, you were never going to be able to pull away easily.

He isn't concerned by what you want.
HE wants a certain type of relationship with you, a role for you to fulfil, and will not let go.

I would feel unbelievable distress to have someone like that imposing on me to such an extent he was staying in my home.

It sounds unhinged to me.

Keep your eye on your goal of stepping away and refuse to engage further on this matter.

I feel genuinely very sorry for his wife.

He sounds very off.

I don't believe his behaviour is normal.

QueenOfThe20StoneAge · 02/07/2023 18:20

Please don't send your proposed reply, it's confusing and will invite more questions. You do need to break ties with them though, it's not working for you and it's not fair on them.
How about replying with something like 'I think it's time to put my cards on the table. I appreciate your efforts to establish and maintain a relationship, but as the years have gone on and our lives have changed, I feel you are more invested than I am. I am sorry if this is hurtful but I don't want you to come and visit again. In fact I don't want to keep in touch at all. Nobody has done anything wrong and there has been no single 'incident' prompting me to break ties now. I don't wish to discuss this any further and, again, I am sorry for any upset'.

They will no doubt 'wish to discuss', but just rinse and repeat and then block and delete.
It's a shame it's come to this, but it's also a shame that some people just can't read the room. Good luck OP 👍🏼

MaggieBsBoat · 02/07/2023 18:24

My word, I thought I was cold with my family, but you are something else @MissChatterbox1 yes you sound awful and very unpleasant. YABU.

Mummy08m · 02/07/2023 18:45

I wouldn't go all guns blazing straightaway.

Your immediate problem is sister in law pressing you for a rearranged date for their visit. Address that first. Be completely firm.

"Actually I don't want to pick down a rearranged date. I'm feeling overwhelmed by the prospect of this operation and I want some time to myself and my family. Let's shelve the idea of your visit for the present. I'll get back in touch when I'm ready to. I know you'll understand, thank you."

If/when they push, say "I need some space from this relationship for a while. I need to focus on my recovery and my immediate family." They will hopefully assume you mean because of your operation rather than take it personally.

If they push even harder, then you can be more honest "I am finding you pushy, although I'm sure you don't mean to come across this way. I need some space from this relationship because it's making me stressed/upset."

Then just repeat like a stuck record.

You have a big advantage in that there's no mutual family or friends they can badmouth to about you. The only possible downside is they'll kick off at you. Be brave op.

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