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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ignore my elderly neighbour?

427 replies

RallyB · 29/06/2023 13:10

Due to his racist remarks.

He is very elderly and alone. We moved next to him literally just before Covid took hold and so for the best part of a year it was an ‘over the fence’ getting to know him situation. Polite conversations and I found out through conversation he lost his wife a year before we moved there. No children of their own. Apart from his sister he literally has no family and no living friends.

I felt so sorry for him. Due to covid me and DH would pick up essentials for him and leave it on his doorstep and when restrictions relaxed id take over home cooked meals as he said he just eats microwave meals.

He would tell me about the war, his wife, what it was like in our area back in the day, his really interesting job before retirement. A really lovely little old man who was endearing and sweet. He always asked about the children, work, my family life. We felt really lucky to have such a lovely neighbour.

Fast forward to about 8 months ago and he made a racist remark in conversation. I can’t remember what it was exactly but it shocked me, he rambles and mumbles a lot when he talks so I thought I must’ve misheard him but he then said something else (again can’t remember what). I naturally withdrew. I would check in now and again and if I saw him in the garden then I’d always say hello and ask how he’s getting on but that’s about it. It’s obvious too because he used to call every couple of weeks and I would too but I just haven’t been. I’m also back to work after mat leave so not in the house as much as I once was.

He has a carer now, I’ve noticed a man who appears to be of west Asian descent going in the house once per week.

Out in the garden today and I see my neighbour and I ask him how he’s getting on etc and how his new carer is. His response:

‘Oh yes I have a new carer. A young lad. He’s very good and managed to get me a mobility scooter which has helped. He’s a Muslim though, not that I hold that against him’

So I responded ‘of course not. Why would you?’

He ignored my question and started to talk about something else as he always does. He then said ‘I was in the hospital last week, we need to get more English nurses in there, everybody is foreign and can’t speak a word of English. They won’t let English people become nurses anymore and it’s a real shame.’

I then made my excuses and went inside the house.

AIBU to just ignore him? DH understands my point but because he’s elderly and alone he says we should still check in on him regularly and make sure he’s ok.

If I see him out in the garden I avoid going outside but harder now that the weather is nicer and DC are out playing in the garden.

OP posts:
Mooshamoo · 29/06/2023 15:10

stephaniezanoni · 29/06/2023 14:58

But I would be scared of their reputation for treating women badly. @Mooshamoo Can you not see that this is an extremely racist thing to say?? Holyshit! 2023 And this crap is still being spouted.
Perfect example of why racists need to be told to shut the hell up.

I disagree that it's racist. It is factual to point out that Muslim countries treat women badly, it is also factual to point out that women are treated extremely badly in India. I can find thousands of facts to prove this. I have been to India myself and I saw it myself. How can it be racist to talk about the truth. I've been to India myself and I joined in protests about gang rapes. I heard about women being raped in India, and then the girl was killed as she was seen as the one who carried the shame.

Do you think women are treated well in India? Should we gloss over what happens there? Shouldnt those cultures take some responsibility for treating women like shit ?

SouthLondonMum22 · 29/06/2023 15:10

Sounds like he's alone for a good reason. I would have nothing to do with him.

ScribblingPixie · 29/06/2023 15:11

You do not state how elderly he is

If he's talking about the war he must be late 80s or 90s? It ended 78 years ago.

Mooshamoo · 29/06/2023 15:12

M340 · 29/06/2023 15:08

@Mooshamoo you have to pass a secure English test to become a carer. They would've spoken adequate English.

Plus, the situation with your mum and her vulnerability with a broken arm and having a fall has no relevance to the OPs neighbour.

It does have relevance, as the OP thinks her neighbour is racist because he said his nurses don't speak a word of English. I was pointing out that this isnt possibly racist, old people can get scared when nurses can't understand them

HarpyValley · 29/06/2023 15:12

AnybodyAnywhere · 29/06/2023 15:08

I hope that when some of you get old and things that you find totally acceptable and normal to say now have been deemed offensive that you will realise some of the truths about becoming elderly.

Your brain doesn’t assimilate new things and clings to the old. Your social filter that works between mind and mouth ceases to function. Your hearing dulls and speech is harder to understand. Most are vulnerable and are dependant on strangers who may or may not treat them well.

Being old is often a miserable, lonely and scary existence but there is little compassion or understanding for elderly people any more.

My mother was 96 and in very poor health and had 2 carers 4 times a day. Most were wonderful and very kind but often she just couldn’t understand them, she often couldn’t understand me!, and they’d get a bit short with her.

I’ve seen far more ageism on MN that I see of racism from your neighbour in your post tbh.

People of this man's generation were responsible for driving the social change that first started making casual racism unacceptable. A patronising "the poor old dear can't help it" excuse is no less ageist, especially when so many other people in their 70s and 80s manage not to be racist.

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:13

Iwantmyoldnameback · 29/06/2023 13:29

Well yes if they were as mild as his racist comments.

How the heck is it mild?!?! OP, I would not be able to see to him after any of those comments, let alone a combination of them. I don't care how old someone is, a racist is a racist. There is no grading scale. You are either racist or you are not.

stephaniezanoni · 29/06/2023 15:13

@Mooshamoo Your generalising in the worst way possible. Would it be ok for me to say I don't want a white woman treating me because Rose west is white?

Sallywallywoowoo · 29/06/2023 15:14

@Mooshamoo some Indian men treat women badly. Why does that mean we assume they all do? Some white people are neo Nazis. Shall we assume they all are and suggest they should t be allowed as carers?

Unsure33 · 29/06/2023 15:14

Chickenkeev · 29/06/2023 13:27

Clutching at straws here but re his nurses, he may have genuinely struggle to understand some foreign accents in hospital. It can be harder as people get older (and poss harder of hearing) to decipher accents they're not used to. And tbf that general attitude can be a bit of a generational thing. I have had to remind a (much younger) relative of mine that there are certain things that are offensive and no longer considered acceptable. Whereas 20/30 years ago people wouldn't have batted an eyelid.

This , my mum and dad fortune it very difficult to understand the different accents when in hospital , and they were of a generation where certain phrases were banded about ( wrongly ) . I think the younger generation would absolutely be disgusted by some of the old comedy . So if they said something unintentionally racist we would always correct them . But trust me this did not make them horrible people at all . They were the kindest loveliest parents and would do anything for anyone including their neighbours . Just keep educating , gently.

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:15

This reply has been deleted

We've removed this post as it's ageist.

Zebedee55 · 29/06/2023 15:15

Cut him some slack. A lot of elderly people, who have seen a lot of changes, think like him. He's lonely and vulnerable.

IsadoraQuagmire · 29/06/2023 15:15

AnybodyAnywhere · 29/06/2023 15:08

I hope that when some of you get old and things that you find totally acceptable and normal to say now have been deemed offensive that you will realise some of the truths about becoming elderly.

Your brain doesn’t assimilate new things and clings to the old. Your social filter that works between mind and mouth ceases to function. Your hearing dulls and speech is harder to understand. Most are vulnerable and are dependant on strangers who may or may not treat them well.

Being old is often a miserable, lonely and scary existence but there is little compassion or understanding for elderly people any more.

My mother was 96 and in very poor health and had 2 carers 4 times a day. Most were wonderful and very kind but often she just couldn’t understand them, she often couldn’t understand me!, and they’d get a bit short with her.

I’ve seen far more ageism on MN that I see of racism from your neighbour in your post tbh.

I couldn't agree more. Dreadful virtue signalling going on here!

Zebedee55 · 29/06/2023 15:17

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:13

How the heck is it mild?!?! OP, I would not be able to see to him after any of those comments, let alone a combination of them. I don't care how old someone is, a racist is a racist. There is no grading scale. You are either racist or you are not.

Oh get over yourself. He's a lonely, vulnerable old man, who grew up before all the current awareness. 🙄

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:17

HarpyValley · 29/06/2023 15:12

People of this man's generation were responsible for driving the social change that first started making casual racism unacceptable. A patronising "the poor old dear can't help it" excuse is no less ageist, especially when so many other people in their 70s and 80s manage not to be racist.

Doubt this particular man did much for social change tbh😏

M340 · 29/06/2023 15:18

Mooshamoo · 29/06/2023 14:51

I know if I'm in a nursing home when I'm older , I would prefer not to have and Indian or Muslim man treating me. As I wouldnt be scared of their race. But I would be scared of their reputation for treating women badly.

I wouldn't want a male health care assistant (of any race) near me at all. But women are now allowed to request this in nursing homes.

I still feel ill after my mother calling me crying and saying that the two male hca's came over and started pulling her clothes off without asking her. And that she was so terrified. And that she asked for a female HCA which was eventually granted , but she was made to feel like she was a nuisance.

I know if I'm in a nursing home when I'm older , I would prefer not to have and Indian or Muslim man treating me. As I wouldnt be scared of their race. But I would be scared of their reputation for treating women badly.
@Mooshamoo

You are aware that plenty of white men treat women like shit, aren't you? Or do you choose to be obtuse and forget about that.

Sounds like you'd be even more if a nuisance than anything you've written so far. What an unbelievably racist remark and a sweeping statement which is highly offence to Indian and Muslims. 80% of the population in India practiced Hinduism by the way. HTH.

Also, the carer would've spoken English. They have to pass an exam. All of them do.

Spanielsarepainless · 29/06/2023 15:18

As other posters have said, many elderly people struggle with accented English. And they were brought up in different times. If you think he is racist, ignoring him doesn't say much for your tolerance either. If you don't want to talk, just say hello, nice morning, move on.

Mooshamoo · 29/06/2023 15:18

stephaniezanoni · 29/06/2023 14:58

But I would be scared of their reputation for treating women badly. @Mooshamoo Can you not see that this is an extremely racist thing to say?? Holyshit! 2023 And this crap is still being spouted.
Perfect example of why racists need to be told to shut the hell up.

I think it's extremely frustrating to be called racist, when pointing out the facts of atrocities that go on in some countries.

I've been to India, I've seen how badly women are treated there. I've been to Muslim countries, I've seen how badly women are treated there. I've talked to Muslim women who told me that they thought of suicide alot as they were so mistreated. I've talked to Muslim women who told me about honor killings in their families. Where if the girl is considered to have shamed the family, she will be killed by male members in her family.

It is the total lack of respect towards women in those cultures, that would make me feel uncomfortable to be treated by an Indian or Muslim male nurse. I think the huge history of disrespect to women in those cultures can't just be ignored. I personally wouldn't be comfortable with an Indian or Muslim man treating me.
It's not all about race, it's about parts of the culture of exteme abuse to women

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:18

Zebedee55 · 29/06/2023 15:17

Oh get over yourself. He's a lonely, vulnerable old man, who grew up before all the current awareness. 🙄

Yea, he grew up before racists were called racists. Ejat he says does not become not racist just because he is getting on abit.

HarpyValley · 29/06/2023 15:19

IsadoraQuagmire · 29/06/2023 15:15

I couldn't agree more. Dreadful virtue signalling going on here!

Oh yeah, I forgot this was Mumsnet where racism is more acceptable than troll hunting, and not being a racist is "virtue signalling" 🙄

Izzy24 · 29/06/2023 15:19

Amillionlovesongslater · 29/06/2023 13:43

Can't believe the amount of people telling you to cut him some slack. Are you seriously suggesting that a Indian nurse should just listen to racist bullshit all day because poor confused old people. Call it out or things will never change, age is no excuse.

The elderly man in question must be mid 90s and so is self evidently not long this world as well as being without family or friends.

So yes, for those reasons alone human kindness would indeed cut him some slack.

He is in no position to influence anything but his own immediate interpersonal relationships by his remarks.

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:20

Mooshamoo · 29/06/2023 15:18

I think it's extremely frustrating to be called racist, when pointing out the facts of atrocities that go on in some countries.

I've been to India, I've seen how badly women are treated there. I've been to Muslim countries, I've seen how badly women are treated there. I've talked to Muslim women who told me that they thought of suicide alot as they were so mistreated. I've talked to Muslim women who told me about honor killings in their families. Where if the girl is considered to have shamed the family, she will be killed by male members in her family.

It is the total lack of respect towards women in those cultures, that would make me feel uncomfortable to be treated by an Indian or Muslim male nurse. I think the huge history of disrespect to women in those cultures can't just be ignored. I personally wouldn't be comfortable with an Indian or Muslim man treating me.
It's not all about race, it's about parts of the culture of exteme abuse to women

Pretty ignorant from someone who is so supposedly well travelled.😅

ActDottie · 29/06/2023 15:20

I wouldn’t hold it against him, it’s a generational thing and they’ve been so out of normal societal norms they don’t know what is acceptable or not anymore.

That said challenge him on his views like you did with the comment about his carer but he is from a generation when unfortunately these things were normal. My Nana does it now and we correct her and tell her it is wrong.

Lndnmummy · 29/06/2023 15:21

HarpyValley · 29/06/2023 15:19

Oh yeah, I forgot this was Mumsnet where racism is more acceptable than troll hunting, and not being a racist is "virtue signalling" 🙄

Right!?

oakleaffy · 29/06/2023 15:21

Sadly it seems to be generational
for some older people
My FIL could say the odd stereotypical Daily Mail comments that I always challenged in a non aggressive way-
They grew up on a very different era
I look at a lot of historical videos of cities even in 1950’s and on a lot of them comments are closed because - due to people ‘s racism -

It must have been very hard for original Windrush migrants to U.K.

Definitely explain to your older Neighbour how times have moved on.

Dontjudgeme101 · 29/06/2023 15:21

LadyKenya · 29/06/2023 13:26

Would those saying cut him some slack be so generous if he was coming out with offensive sexist, and misogynistic remarks I wonder.🤔

I agree with you.