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AIBU?

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To ignore my elderly neighbour?

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RallyB · 29/06/2023 13:10

Due to his racist remarks.

He is very elderly and alone. We moved next to him literally just before Covid took hold and so for the best part of a year it was an ‘over the fence’ getting to know him situation. Polite conversations and I found out through conversation he lost his wife a year before we moved there. No children of their own. Apart from his sister he literally has no family and no living friends.

I felt so sorry for him. Due to covid me and DH would pick up essentials for him and leave it on his doorstep and when restrictions relaxed id take over home cooked meals as he said he just eats microwave meals.

He would tell me about the war, his wife, what it was like in our area back in the day, his really interesting job before retirement. A really lovely little old man who was endearing and sweet. He always asked about the children, work, my family life. We felt really lucky to have such a lovely neighbour.

Fast forward to about 8 months ago and he made a racist remark in conversation. I can’t remember what it was exactly but it shocked me, he rambles and mumbles a lot when he talks so I thought I must’ve misheard him but he then said something else (again can’t remember what). I naturally withdrew. I would check in now and again and if I saw him in the garden then I’d always say hello and ask how he’s getting on but that’s about it. It’s obvious too because he used to call every couple of weeks and I would too but I just haven’t been. I’m also back to work after mat leave so not in the house as much as I once was.

He has a carer now, I’ve noticed a man who appears to be of west Asian descent going in the house once per week.

Out in the garden today and I see my neighbour and I ask him how he’s getting on etc and how his new carer is. His response:

‘Oh yes I have a new carer. A young lad. He’s very good and managed to get me a mobility scooter which has helped. He’s a Muslim though, not that I hold that against him’

So I responded ‘of course not. Why would you?’

He ignored my question and started to talk about something else as he always does. He then said ‘I was in the hospital last week, we need to get more English nurses in there, everybody is foreign and can’t speak a word of English. They won’t let English people become nurses anymore and it’s a real shame.’

I then made my excuses and went inside the house.

AIBU to just ignore him? DH understands my point but because he’s elderly and alone he says we should still check in on him regularly and make sure he’s ok.

If I see him out in the garden I avoid going outside but harder now that the weather is nicer and DC are out playing in the garden.

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BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 19:30

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BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 19:31

skyfalldown · 29/06/2023 19:19

Yes. It's racist.

You're right, it most certainly is racist.

WarmBeerAndSandwiches · 29/06/2023 19:32

This thread is so depressing. Why on earth should people have to put up with this ignorance? My gran and great gran were born into a very working class community in 1930 and 1907 respectively. My great gran had very little schooling. Despite this they were vehemently anti-racist all their lives because they knew it was just wrong. They weren't racist when they were young and they weren't racist when they were old. Being old isn't an excuse for racism, we don't live in hermetically sealed bubbles and it's been unacceptable to spout racist things in conversation since about the 1970s. That's fifty plus years that all these poor, ignorant types have had to catch up and act in a decent way.

I would say hello to him and watch out to check he's still around and hasn't fallen but I wouldn't be running around with dinners.

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BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 19:34

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No, you're the one making your own rules. Give just 1 (one) example of anyone (bar yourself and the other racist-enablers) being ageist.

Just one.

Saying age doesn't excuse it is the very opposite of being ageist.

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BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 19:39

WarmBeerAndSandwiches · 29/06/2023 19:32

This thread is so depressing. Why on earth should people have to put up with this ignorance? My gran and great gran were born into a very working class community in 1930 and 1907 respectively. My great gran had very little schooling. Despite this they were vehemently anti-racist all their lives because they knew it was just wrong. They weren't racist when they were young and they weren't racist when they were old. Being old isn't an excuse for racism, we don't live in hermetically sealed bubbles and it's been unacceptable to spout racist things in conversation since about the 1970s. That's fifty plus years that all these poor, ignorant types have had to catch up and act in a decent way.

I would say hello to him and watch out to check he's still around and hasn't fallen but I wouldn't be running around with dinners.

Exactly right. The racist enablers have shown their true selves.

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😂The poster you quoted DISAGREES with you.

ScribblingPixie · 29/06/2023 20:11

That generation used to refer to black people as "coloureds".

The only people from that generation I ever heard use that term as a noun lived in South Africa.

Anothercrappyusername · 29/06/2023 20:15

I’m late 40s. I grew up in a small town with 99.9 percent white community. My only experience of other cultures as a kid was a local Chinese family. Racist language was common place. I can see how easy it would be to fall for the racist narrative and if I’d not moved away as a young adult and read only right wing newspapers.
I suspect those with older relatives holding more tolerant views, grew up in more diverse communities.
I think as long as you make it clear what your stance is, by gently challenging his views, I would continue to help a vulnerable neighbour.

Oldnproud · 29/06/2023 20:19

BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 19:34

No, you're the one making your own rules. Give just 1 (one) example of anyone (bar yourself and the other racist-enablers) being ageist.

Just one.

Saying age doesn't excuse it is the very opposite of being ageist.

Rubbish.

BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 20:23

Oldnproud · 29/06/2023 20:19

Rubbish.

What is rubbish?

Anothercrappyusername · 29/06/2023 20:24

WarmBeerAndSandwiches · 29/06/2023 19:32

This thread is so depressing. Why on earth should people have to put up with this ignorance? My gran and great gran were born into a very working class community in 1930 and 1907 respectively. My great gran had very little schooling. Despite this they were vehemently anti-racist all their lives because they knew it was just wrong. They weren't racist when they were young and they weren't racist when they were old. Being old isn't an excuse for racism, we don't live in hermetically sealed bubbles and it's been unacceptable to spout racist things in conversation since about the 1970s. That's fifty plus years that all these poor, ignorant types have had to catch up and act in a decent way.

I would say hello to him and watch out to check he's still around and hasn't fallen but I wouldn't be running around with dinners.

I wonder if they had been exposed to a daily diet of immigrants, Muslims etc. if they would be spouting some of this nonsense, while still being kind to the Asian family next door.
Ive heard people of other races making these kind of stupid claims, It’s not just limited to white folk.

SouthLondonMum22 · 29/06/2023 20:29

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People who are racist don't deserve kindness or understanding. Elderly people don't get a free pass to be racist because of their age.

We are setting a low bar if racism = not perfect. You don't have to be perfect to not be racist.

Daisydumplings88 · 29/06/2023 20:42

You completely missed the point!

SouthLondonMum22 · 29/06/2023 20:48

Daisydumplings88 · 29/06/2023 20:42

You completely missed the point!

I just simply don't agree with you.

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SouthLondonMum22 · 29/06/2023 20:54

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Racism continues because people excuse it.

In my experience, it is a waste of time to try and reason with racists. I certainly wouldn't try with a neighbour, I just wouldn't bother with him any longer.

Why is it everyone else's responsibility but the racist person?

KarmaStar · 29/06/2023 20:54

It's just his generation!he pointed out that being Muslim didn't matter to him because it doesn't and he was trying to say this in the only way HE understands how to.
As you say,he's alone and probably not up to date with what is pc.
Please don't ignore him,he will wonder why.
Find it in your heart to understand a man who fought for our country,the one you enjoy freedom in,and to treat him with the kindness you did before.
Principles,in a situation such as this,should be set aside to give a lonely soul something to look forward to.
When he's left this earth plans it will be too late to regret cold shouldering him.

Daisybuttercup12345 · 29/06/2023 20:55

RatherBeRiding · 29/06/2023 13:18

There is never an excuse for racism but for someone of that age (like my late parents) they often simply cannot understand what is wrong with what they are saying. And it's not up to you to open his eyes to how wrong is attitude is. And I doubt very much if anything you said would make a difference as he's had -what - 80+ odd years - of these views.

In your shoes I would gently correct him every single time but not make it a hill to die on. And continue to keep an eye on him because he's elderly and vulnerable and alone and you can be the bigger person.

This.
And stop clutching your pearls so hard or you will snap them!!!

Daisydumplings88 · 29/06/2023 21:11

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BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 21:30

If you make excuses for racism regarding of age, illness, addiction, whatever, you are a racist enabler and shown your true colours. Nothing ever excuses racism. Ever. Only racists excuse racism. Racists don't care about anyone but themselves.

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SouthLondonMum22 · 29/06/2023 21:35

BathroomOnTheRight · 29/06/2023 21:30

If you make excuses for racism regarding of age, illness, addiction, whatever, you are a racist enabler and shown your true colours. Nothing ever excuses racism. Ever. Only racists excuse racism. Racists don't care about anyone but themselves.

Exactly.

Blame everyone but the racist.