to think they would feel differently if they had children?

[Violetbeauregardesgum]

Just reflecting that the three most vehemently pro-abortion, abortion on demand up till 40 weeks women I know are all child free. Was talking to one the other day and was taken aback by how uncompromising she was. The 32 week old baby that the woman was imprisoned for aborting was not a baby, all women have the right to end a pregnancy at any point.

I am pro choice but think the 24 week cut off is about right. AIBU to think they would feel differently if they had gone through a pregnancy to term themselves?

But why would you need to kill the baby before removing it?

Well it's made me sure that a late abortion (not for medical reasons) is not something I could do myself.

However having children has made me more prochoice than ever (and I was very pro choice). For me the "increase" isn't even about the women, it's about the children. Children, unwanted children with shit lives and abuse, are the other victims in the anti-abortion stance. No child should have to be brought into this world unwanted, unloved and by parent's who can't or don't want to look out for them.

If that's true it would be interesting to see statistics of how many women actually do that.

Because that's what abortion is?

It's a pretty moot argument anyway because do you actually think millions of women would start doing it?

Yes, agree. And also to undersand why (although that's probably more difficult to find out). I bet it would be an absolutely tiny amount.

Canada doesn't have a legal limit.

Late term abortions are rare in Canada, like England, the majority happen during the first 12 weeks.

I'm going to have to hide this thread, it's sickening. I think people are only saying this utter rubbish for effect anyway, there's no way they actually believe it.

From a cursory Google, Canada? Happy to be corrected.

Its legal but regulated at province level and no provinces offer abortion after 24 weeks except in specific circumstances of medical complications.

You should. Effect on an anonymous forum? Why bother?

Perhaps people just think differently from you. Like a previous pp, I have had a miscarriage. That still doesn't make me believe in forced birth.

I'd be interested to hear from Canadians how late term abortions actually work there. Probably so rare that they decided to not throw women in jail for it.

Ah. The devil is in the detail.

So, in practice, it's not actually legal to do it there either.

That's a terrible argument.

There aren't millions of women being murdered in the UK each year. Only a few hundred, which is a relatively small number compared to the size of the population. Nobody is saying murder doesn't need to be a crime because it's a relatively rare occurrence.

Technically yes, but nowhere actually provides on demand (ie non TMFR) abortions over 24w, so in reality, the limit is 24w.

You have a very antagonistic attitude. Can’t we be respectful of different views? I’d like to know the circumstances around the late abortion with this woman and I’m not comfortable passing judgement on her. Women should not be treated like criminals in these situations.

What if it was a 12 year old child, raped by a member of her family, who hid a pregnancy, then confided in someone and travelled to another state ? We don’t know the personal circumstances of a particular decision. I prefer not to judge knowing that no one goes lightly into a decision like that and nor is it something you ever forget.

Bet your house if it was men getting pregnant then this wouldn’t even be an issue. There would be zero legislation between states and they wouldn’t be hounded.

Precisely that.

Doesn't that link show poor access to services though? Even if the abortion limit is up until birth, if there is poor access to services due to underfunding, understaffing etc, then there will be no appointments at whatever stage of gestation you're at.

There was a previous thread on which it was well discussed. Covid circumstances. The woman's HCP's also spoke up on her behalf, I think, possibly because there were some other special circumstances. Either way, I don't think her other children are best served by her being carted off to jail.

I haven't read about the latest case involving the teen. May not either.

I don't get the forced birth thing. Whether you deliver a 30 week foetus alive or dead, you are having to give birth either way. How does late abortion stop forced birth?

Well said

Women who abort do not want a living child to take care of.That may be unpalatable, but it is the truth. They don't want it adopted, for whatever reason, assuming that were as easy as everyone says.

Well I feel as you do OP but I guess this thread has proved that there are parents who don't agree.

I think it's established that it is not just childfree women who are babykillers; some of the rest of us are too. Which is what the OP was desperately trying to establish.

I think it's established that it is not just childfree women who are babykillers; some of the rest of us are too. Which is what the OP was desperately trying to establish.

Yep, and I guess on the other side we're all pro forced labour.

I absolutely agree with you, should be reduced to 23 weeks as they are now viable many a time. Up to 40 weeks is disgusting, and I hope it never happens.