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Sports club keeps using my address

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TeddySunflowers · 28/06/2023 09:23

Help! There's a sport club near my house, they have a building in an field nearby and I guess my house is the closest to it.

They keep using my address for all their deliveries and pick ups to the point now where I'm getting delivery people knocking on my door every morning sometimes twice a day and it's becoming really invasive and stressful because it's constantly disturbing my day, quite often they come early and wake me up, or hammer on the door while I'm in a meeting, and when I explain that I'm not the sports club and they've used my address without my permission, they argue with me as if I'm wrong! Then insist on showing me the order with my address on it as if that'll somehow convince me I'm not standing in my own home. It never used to be this bad and I used to try and be helpful when I first moved in but after accepting a parcel for them they turned up and we're immensely rude and I decided screw that I've just done them a favour for no reason. So I don't accept parcels, I don't even redirect the drivers any more in hope that it would deter the club from using my address but they still do it.

I know it's not the fault of the delivery person but I am slowly losing my patience with it. We've told the club to stop I've also contacted the delivery company to tell them to stop but it makes no difference. I don't know what else to do 😫 hellpp!

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Tippingadvice · 29/06/2023 11:28

DogInATent · 29/06/2023 10:56

Because you attach that address to their name, at which point it becomes confidential.

/bangsheadagainstwall

@TeddySunflowers so it means providing employees addresses with no name attached to a 3rd party is not a breach of GDPR etc.

For example mapping where employees live.

DontMakeMeShushYou · 29/06/2023 11:48

Tippingadvice · 29/06/2023 11:28

@TeddySunflowers so it means providing employees addresses with no name attached to a 3rd party is not a breach of GDPR etc.

For example mapping where employees live.

It depends on whether the information could be used to identify an individual. So, if I understand it correctly, one piece of personal data on it's own (say, their address) is not a GDPR breach in itself. But if you combine that with another piece of personal data which could allow them to be identified (e.g. job title) then that would. Mapping where employees live and making that publicly available would be sailing pretty close to the wind.

MooMooSharoo · 29/06/2023 11:49

Not sure if this is considered theft, but a story from me.

We had a situation once where we came home to a parcel on our doorstep. We didn't know the name of the person on the label (the previous owners are known for still sending parcels to our house, despite us having moved in 10 years ago, but it wasn't them). There was no returning address on the outside, and no evidence of who'd actually delivered it either.

We opened it, expecting to find a delivery note or something, but there was nothing identifiable. Just a box containing a very expensive (yet hideous) pair of sunglasses!

I did a bit more digging on the name on the label and found their name on Companies House and our address associated with their name, but from 20 years ago. The company was associated with the type of sunglasses that we'd received, so there was a connection. The only problem was, they were no longer a director of that company or any other, so I couldn't find any up to date information. The company they worked for seemed to have stopped trading too.

We held on to them for a month or so, wondering if anyone would come back for them but when no-one did, I flogged them on eBay and gave the money to our local food bank. Didn't know what else to do!

While it probably was "theft by finding", I'm not sure what more I could have done and at least someone benefited from it!

haXXor · 29/06/2023 11:52

DogInATent · 29/06/2023 10:08

@Tippingadvice
It's not personal data. Do not pass go do not collect £200.
It fails the GDPR relevance test far too early for consent and accuracy to be relevant.

So, GDPR is not just about whether your name is attached to a data item, but whether it realistically could be attached to a data item, e.g. using public data.

You can pay £3 to Land Registry to find out the owner of any registered land, including private homes. There is no opt-out for this, making who owns your home a matter of trivially-queriable public record.

So a list of addresses of, say, a political party's membership, even without the names, would be sensitive personal data because all the home owners on that list would have their party political beliefs (which are sensitive personal data) associated with their address, which can be trivially matched to their names.

In this case, the sports club have stored your address, which is personal data because it can be matched to your name trivially, in a computer system (their website) without your permission or a good business reason. Using you as a mailstop without your consent is not a good business reason. So yes, you have GDPR grounds to tell them to delete your address.

Balloonhearts · 29/06/2023 12:08

I would start accepting the parcels and just binning them or return to sender. Claim ignorance when they knock. What parcel? No sorry, not seen anything. Ignore any beeping and shouting. When they're not receiving them and can't get a refund, they'll stop.

prh47bridge · 29/06/2023 12:09

DontMakeMeShushYou · 29/06/2023 11:48

It depends on whether the information could be used to identify an individual. So, if I understand it correctly, one piece of personal data on it's own (say, their address) is not a GDPR breach in itself. But if you combine that with another piece of personal data which could allow them to be identified (e.g. job title) then that would. Mapping where employees live and making that publicly available would be sailing pretty close to the wind.

Agree with this.

haXXor · 29/06/2023 12:09

haXXor · 29/06/2023 11:52

So, GDPR is not just about whether your name is attached to a data item, but whether it realistically could be attached to a data item, e.g. using public data.

You can pay £3 to Land Registry to find out the owner of any registered land, including private homes. There is no opt-out for this, making who owns your home a matter of trivially-queriable public record.

So a list of addresses of, say, a political party's membership, even without the names, would be sensitive personal data because all the home owners on that list would have their party political beliefs (which are sensitive personal data) associated with their address, which can be trivially matched to their names.

In this case, the sports club have stored your address, which is personal data because it can be matched to your name trivially, in a computer system (their website) without your permission or a good business reason. Using you as a mailstop without your consent is not a good business reason. So yes, you have GDPR grounds to tell them to delete your address.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/personal-information-what-is-it/what-is-personal-information-a-guide/#4

Even if you may need additional information to be able to identify someone, they may still be identifiable.
That additional information may be information you already hold, or it may be information that you need to obtain from another source. Like, oh I dunno, the Land Registry for £3.

You have the right to be told by the sports club that they are using your personal dara https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/individual-rights/individual-rights/ I bet they didn't do that.

You have the right to request deletion https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/individual-rights/individual-rights/right-to-erasure/

You have the right to object to processing, especially as they have no legal basis for doing so.

HealthyBBQ · 29/06/2023 12:11

dawnc27 · 28/06/2023 09:42

id put it in writing to the sports club that any further parcels delivered to your house you will assume are a gift and will keep them. it would only take 1 or 2 until they stopped doing it i reckon

Oh this one!
They clearly aren’t in during the day and see themselves above you and you are their servant and can take in all Packes.

haXXor · 29/06/2023 12:15

The sellers are also storing your address and they don't have a valid reason to hold that personal data about you, because these are not your parcels.

So email the sellers to request deletion of your address from any account that you aren't named on and object to future processing of your address as part of any account that you aren't named on.

Name GDPR and Data Protection Act 2018 in your email. Quote the ICO guidance and link it.

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/06/2023 12:38

Thelnebriati · 28/06/2023 09:33

No thats not how it works; you have to refuse delivery or else you can be accused of theft.

Legally, is it theft if it they are actually deliberately and knowingingly sending to an address that is not their?
techy question- I’m curious
i know it’s illegal to open mail or keep mail that been addressed incorrectly or delivered incorrectly- but this isn’t

Appleofmyeye2023 · 29/06/2023 12:40

haXXor · 29/06/2023 12:15

The sellers are also storing your address and they don't have a valid reason to hold that personal data about you, because these are not your parcels.

So email the sellers to request deletion of your address from any account that you aren't named on and object to future processing of your address as part of any account that you aren't named on.

Name GDPR and Data Protection Act 2018 in your email. Quote the ICO guidance and link it.

This. Your data shouldn’t be held or used by them

you’ve already asked them to atop
report the breach dir3ct
https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/report-a-breach/personal-data-breach/#:~:text=To%20report%20a%20breach%2C%20call,hours%2C%20you%20can%20report%20online.

UK GDPR data breach reporting (DPA 2018)

Here's where you can report a personal data breach to the ICO. This may include, for example, the loss of a USB stick, data being destroyed or sent to the wrong address, the theft of a laptop or hacking. To report a breach, call our helpline 0303 123...

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/report-a-breach/personal-data-breach/#:~:text=To%20report%20a%20breach%2C%20call,hours%2C%20you%20can%20report%20online.

Brightbear · 29/06/2023 12:44

Who on earth voted YABU?

They’re cheeky fuckers!

RoseAndRose · 29/06/2023 12:45

Tippingadvice · 28/06/2023 20:16

@TeddySunflowers GDPR may help you. Each time the club or its members enter your address into a website they are unlawfully processing your personal data. The website is also unlawfully publishing your address. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/uk-gdpr-guidance-and-resources/

As pp have said write a cease and desist letter advising them they are unlawfully processing your data by publishing it on their website and using it for deliveries. Advise them you are reporting the to ICO.

Report to ICO with copies of website, address labels etc.

Good shout!

PollyPut · 29/06/2023 12:48

Go and speak to the maintenance team at the sports club or whoever is there day to day. I am sure they are fed up with chasing parcels. Get them onside, work together.

the club president probably isn't there much so doesn't actually realise the inconvenience caused.

ThereIbledit · 29/06/2023 12:51

I think you should write to the chief knobber again and expressly forbid them from using your address for deliveries etc. Get some advice from citizens advice, or if you have a legal helpline associated with house insurance or a bank account or anything like that. If it's possible for you to tell them you will consider all future deliveries as gifts I do like that idea, and I'd also put it in writing to the chief bigwig that members of their club have tried to intimidate you and been abusive, and that this is to stop immediately or you will take further action.

It's not the most strictly legal and nice option, but I'd be tempted to start keeping deliveries and denying all knowledge of them, (especially if you can avoid accepting them in person with a photo from delivery company) whilst at the same time reporting any arsehole behaviour to the club and to the police, every single time. If they complain to the police that you've nicked their parcels, hopefully the police will tell them to stop using your address. Likewise when you complain to the police, they might just pay them a visit and tell them to pack it in.

haXXor · 29/06/2023 12:52

The ICO will likely do sweet FA but I am willing to help crowdfund any legal action anyone takes against GDPR breachers. Data privacy matters a lot to me.

Namechangeforanamechange · 29/06/2023 12:52

It would still be theft @Appleofmyeye2023 because the parcels are addressed to CF Posh Club, Teddy Sunflowers House, Teddytown. It is clear they are not for Teddy Sunflowers.

Saddlesore · 29/06/2023 12:58

Does the snotty club have a rival club nearby? You could tell "Gammons' Golf Club" (assumed name) that receiving their mail doesn't work for you so from now on you will be forwarding it to "Gammons' Rival Golf Club".

Floppyelf · 29/06/2023 13:02

You have to play this smart. Do not accept parcels into your home. But state clearly to the delivery men: “I am the only legal resident at this address and I can’t accept it. If you want to take responsibility and leave it someone on the road then thats your perogative”. Then if they dump the parcels somewhere- post it on the local groups. Some 5 fingered person will take it. Enough dissapearences will make them think twice. According to the theft act, you have not breached the law.

alternatively accept the parcels and invoice the club for your services. Only release the parcels upon received payments to your invoices. Even if the head kicks up a stink. Its a civil matter that will be on your side and you can make some money or make them deliver to a pickup location. You need to fight fire with fire when it comes to rich c**ts

Name99 · 29/06/2023 13:06

Reporting to action fraud won't make any difference OP.
They basically log anything reported to them and do absolutely nothing with the information. I don't really understand the point of them tbh.

PrincessFiorimonde · 29/06/2023 13:06

If the Action Fraud complaint and the new signs don't stop the problem, then I'd consider going to the local paper (if you have one) to shame the club. Local press are usually looking for new stories to cover.

Good luck, OP.

caringcarer · 29/06/2023 13:07

A solicitors letter would work here.

OhComeOnFFS · 29/06/2023 13:09

So what is the address on the label on the parcel?

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/06/2023 13:13

TheSeaDoesntKnowMyName · 29/06/2023 11:28

"fuck off" is a complete sentance

It certainly is.

So are
"Who are you? "
"I don't know you. "
" I'm not handing parcels to some random in the street"
and
"I'll need to check your identification. Come back in an hour"

I wouldn't have given them the parcel if they'd spoken to me like that.

PuddlesPityParty · 29/06/2023 13:13

1984Winston · 29/06/2023 09:16

I have this with my email, it's my name and people assume it should have another letter on the end, people spell my name wrong on emails where I've signed my name, it's like people think I'm spelling my name wrong it's really annoying!

Completely get this! People for some reason change my name to what they think is a shortened version of my name when in reality it’s a completely different name!

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