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AIBU to think Rishi Sunak is actively trying to piss off the entire country?

261 replies

Locutus2000 · 25/06/2023 15:06

Or does he genuinely not get it?

Every time he speaks he seems further detached from reality. His interview today was insanely out of touch.

Got a mortgage? Stuffed

Work in the public sector? Stuffed.

Rent your home? Stuffed

Live in a small town? Stuffed

Supported Brexit? Disaster

Not to mention the Johnson honours scandal and Liz Truss.

AIBU to think the only people happy are his fellow super rich?

Couple looking at bills

Rishi Sunak urges people to hold their nerve on interest rates

The prime minister continues to back the Bank of England as mortgage pressure rises for homeowners.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66012301

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Blossomtoes · 26/06/2023 17:14

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 16:58

And is Rishi giving it to that is the problem? Please give me examples that have happened under this administration.

Michelle Mone, Dido Harding, Alex Bourne.

According to The Sunday Times, the government gave £1.5 billion to companies that are linked to the Conservative Party.[25] Although the NAO said there was "no evidence" ministers were "involved in either the award or management of the contracts",[17] companies that had links to government ministers, politicians and health officials were put in a high-priority channel[26] that was fast-tracked; those in it were ten times more likely to win a contract.[17] In an opinion piece, BBC economics correspondent Andrew Verity said there was an increased risk contracts would be seen to be "awarded not on merit or value for money but because of personal connections" when fast-tracking occurs.[17]

The Sunday Times - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sunday_Times

Mischance · 26/06/2023 17:15

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 16:58

And is Rishi giving it to that is the problem? Please give me examples that have happened under this administration.

The rich have got richer, the poor have got poorer. Governments can choose to reverse this/apply policies that redress this balance. They have chosen their route; they will pay the price. And whoever gets in will have to pick up the mess.

In the meantime people set off for the food banks.

Hawkins0001 · 26/06/2023 17:34

Mischance · 26/06/2023 17:15

The rich have got richer, the poor have got poorer. Governments can choose to reverse this/apply policies that redress this balance. They have chosen their route; they will pay the price. And whoever gets in will have to pick up the mess.

In the meantime people set off for the food banks.

Then all that will happen is the rich and wealthy will funnel their wealth elsewhere other than taxes etc

Blossomtoes · 26/06/2023 17:43

Hawkins0001 · 26/06/2023 17:34

Then all that will happen is the rich and wealthy will funnel their wealth elsewhere other than taxes etc

Yes, someone always says that. It didn’t happen when basic rate was 33% in Thatcher’s day. I’d like to know where they’re all going to go - Europe’s closed to them now.

Notonthestairs · 26/06/2023 17:50

"Then all that will happen is the rich and wealthy will funnel their wealth elsewhere other than taxes etc"

A bit like Zahawi's offshore accounts?

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:50

SunnyEgg · 26/06/2023 17:05

Not sure of the split but Martin Lewis was pushing for increased savings rates from banks this morning as a way to approach it

This would benefit savers and older no mortgage holders

Their voter base is older so I assumed they have smaller mortgages. Could be wrong though.

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:51

Blossomtoes · 26/06/2023 17:14

Michelle Mone, Dido Harding, Alex Bourne.

According to The Sunday Times, the government gave £1.5 billion to companies that are linked to the Conservative Party.[25] Although the NAO said there was "no evidence" ministers were "involved in either the award or management of the contracts",[17] companies that had links to government ministers, politicians and health officials were put in a high-priority channel[26] that was fast-tracked; those in it were ten times more likely to win a contract.[17] In an opinion piece, BBC economics correspondent Andrew Verity said there was an increased risk contracts would be seen to be "awarded not on merit or value for money but because of personal connections" when fast-tracking occurs.[17]

Didn't this take place under Boris' government rather than Rishi. We aren't voting for Boris this time round.

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:52

Mischance · 26/06/2023 17:15

The rich have got richer, the poor have got poorer. Governments can choose to reverse this/apply policies that redress this balance. They have chosen their route; they will pay the price. And whoever gets in will have to pick up the mess.

In the meantime people set off for the food banks.

A lot can change within a year. I wouldn't write the conservatives off just yet.

SunnyEgg · 26/06/2023 17:54

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:50

Their voter base is older so I assumed they have smaller mortgages. Could be wrong though.

It sounds likely tbh

If ML gets his way they’d benefit from higher rates for savings

Quiverer · 26/06/2023 18:31

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 16:56

My parents and husband do okay but I would be able to support myself and my daughter anyway without their help.

Great for you.

But suppose you were part of a family including young children who are dependent on one adult's income to be able to service the mortgage/renti and bills, and that adult suddenly became unable to work due to, say, severe illness leading to disability, and any other adult in the family stood no chance of being able to earn enough. Do you think providing support for people in those circumstances should be optional?

Quiverer · 26/06/2023 18:35

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:00

It doesn't need to work or solve any problems it just needs to sound convincing enough to convince the daily mail crowd and their two brain cells.

If that's what the Tories are relying on, it has an incredibly shaky basis. Bear in mind that their latest acquisition as a columnist has no motivation to sugar-coat things for Sunak's benefit.

Quiverer · 26/06/2023 18:41

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:50

Their voter base is older so I assumed they have smaller mortgages. Could be wrong though.

They would be rash to assume that the older voter is automatically Conservative. Those over 65 now are the generation who grew up in the 60s and 70s who don't necessarily have a wholly materialist outlook on life. I know all the dangers of relying on anecdotal information, but nowadays I find it really quite rare to talk to an older person who intends to vote Conservative next time round - and that includes people who have tended to vote Tory in the past.

Quiverer · 26/06/2023 18:48

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:51

Didn't this take place under Boris' government rather than Rishi. We aren't voting for Boris this time round.

Cabinet collective responsibility isn't escaped that easily. Sunak and the rest of the current government happily sat next to Johnson and supported him time after time while all that was going on, and indeed some of them would support him again wholeheartedly if he reappeared tomorrow. There is no evidence that Sunak is trying to reverse these practices, and frankly the fact that Mone is still swanning around enjoying the public funds siphoned her way is a disgrace. Sunak can't even take credit for displacing Johnson, he only moved to do something about it when he could see a chance to advance his own career.

Blossomtoes · 26/06/2023 18:51

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:51

Didn't this take place under Boris' government rather than Rishi. We aren't voting for Boris this time round.

Wasn’t Sunak Chancellor then? This isn’t a different government, much as Sunak is trying to pretend it was.

StormShadow · 26/06/2023 19:03

Sunak has been in government since 2018. He's balls deep.

1dayatatime · 26/06/2023 19:54

@SunnyEgg

"Yes I doubt any party would go for more debt atm, or if they do it will cost in servicing it"

+++

Liz Truss tried to go for more debt but it didn't work out too well for her.

FedUpWithEverything123 · 26/06/2023 19:55

I said to a friend the other day, I think they're trying to kill us all

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 26/06/2023 21:36

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:51

Didn't this take place under Boris' government rather than Rishi. We aren't voting for Boris this time round.

Sunak was Chancellor of the Exchequer and therefore a member of the when it took place.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/06/2023 22:49

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 17:51

Didn't this take place under Boris' government rather than Rishi. We aren't voting for Boris this time round.

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But who are we really voting for? The Tories keep changing leader and with that, direction.

Vote Cameron, get May.
Vote May, get Johnson.
Vote Johnson, get Truss.
Then Sunak.
Vote Sunak, get who?

A Vote for the Tory party is a vote for the continued decline of the UK.

Hawkins0001 · 27/06/2023 00:19

Blossomtoes · 26/06/2023 17:43

Yes, someone always says that. It didn’t happen when basic rate was 33% in Thatcher’s day. I’d like to know where they’re all going to go - Europe’s closed to them now.

Cayman Islands,

Quiverer · 27/06/2023 09:05

Emotionalstorm · 26/06/2023 14:09

I honestly wish we got David Cameron back. He's the best leader we've had since Thatcher.

Just a bit of a shame he couldn't be bothered to put some effort into countering Johnson's lies during the Brexit campaign.

SunnyEgg · 27/06/2023 09:09

Hawkins0001 · 27/06/2023 00:19

Cayman Islands,

True the EU is unlikely for those looking for a tax haven anyway

DisquietintheRanks · 27/06/2023 09:13

itsgettingweird · 25/06/2023 18:14

And obviously the government who lied to us about the benefits of Brexit aren't to blame in anyway?

£350m for the NHS?

Tbf the problems with (and lies regarding) Brexit were pointed out time and time again. People who tell you that they voted for Brexit thinking they'd get utopia are either stupid or liars. They were well aware that the sunlit uplands came at the expense of shitting on the majority of the population, they just assumed they'd be the ones doing the shitting. Some of them were even right.

Badbadbunny · 27/06/2023 10:01

@itsgettingweird

No party will be perfect but at least all the others can currently be trusted

You seriously think anyone will trust the libdems after what they did in the coalition???

Badbadbunny · 27/06/2023 10:06

Blossomtoes · 26/06/2023 17:43

Yes, someone always says that. It didn’t happen when basic rate was 33% in Thatcher’s day. I’d like to know where they’re all going to go - Europe’s closed to them now.

Lots did such as Nigel Mansell who moved to Isle of Man during Thatcher's time.

Lots of authors emigrated in the 70s under Labour's punitive tax rates on "unearned" income.