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To be irritated with friends views on men?

139 replies

Bluey124 · 24/06/2023 12:56

Friend has a 1 Yr old and is considering childcare options. She has decided to go for a childminder rather than a nanny because she feels it's the 'safer' option. When I asked why she explained that DH would be the one seeing the nanny as her job keeps weird hours and also that he would be the one communicating with her about hours etc and she 'didn't want to take the risk as given the opportunity most men will cheat and this is a perfect opportunity for something like this to happen.'
I said that's ridiculous and I know for a fact my partner would never cheat and she just laughed and said something patronising like 'Oh, bless you.'
Aibu to think her view is ridiculous and that most men are decent and don't cheat?

OP posts:
User135644 · 25/06/2023 07:49

TomatoSandwiches · 24/06/2023 13:42

YABU and naive, most men are complete toss pots in one way or another.

People are people, most of us are flawed.

User135644 · 25/06/2023 07:58

Lemieux7 · 24/06/2023 17:18

Also men are more likely to have dark triad traits. There is research on it.

Women are often attracted to these men. Bad behaviour gets rewarded.

WandaWonder · 25/06/2023 09:37

WeWereInParis · 24/06/2023 17:21

Narcissism, psychopathy, machiavellianism.

So same traits are in women as well as men

continentallentil · 25/06/2023 09:38

yellowsmileyface · 24/06/2023 13:15

I think you both represent two extremes of one view. She seems to think the very vast majority have cheated or would cheat, whereas you seem to think it's a very small minority. I'm not sure I agree with either of you.

Also, you can't know "for a fact" that anyone would never do anything. You can't know "for a fact" that your partner would never kill anyone. Given the right circumstances, humans are capable of pretty much anything. With that in mind, your comment does come across a bit naive.

This exactly

Watchkeys · 25/06/2023 14:54

Lemieux7 · 24/06/2023 17:18

Also men are more likely to have dark triad traits. There is research on it.

Is it reliable research?

MoggyMittens23 · 25/06/2023 15:22

toddlermom99 · 25/06/2023 07:46

I mean, I get what she means 🤷🏼‍♀️ I trust my partner as much as I can, but I'm also not naive and nobody can ever say they're 100% sure.

This. Quite a bold statement to say you know for a fact! No one can ever know for a fact. (happily married and like PP trust DH as much as anyone I have ever trusted before and can in another human but you cannot be 100%, ever.)

Don't be so naive! Most men would cheat given the opportunity. Also I used to work for a company for people looking for sex/affairs/relationships and most of the men using it were married, and a lot of old men (loving grandfathers and husbands) wanted the women girls (18/19/20 year olds), and really thought these young women would want them. Men are gross (mostly)

DryIce · 25/06/2023 15:30

I don't believe all men cheat, no. I do think pretty much anyone can end up in a situation where they do cheat.

I feel it is my responsibility to ensure I don't end up in such a set of circumstances, and I feel it's my husbands job to make sure he doesn't.

I have no interest in being with someone who is only faithful because I've diligently restricted his access to any attractive women. If he wants to cheat, that's fine and his decision- and he'd have to deal with the consequences . As would i

Lemieux7 · 27/06/2023 12:31

Men are more likely to be sex offenders and serial killers than women. Nobody would dispute that. It doesn't follow that all men are psychopaths but they are generally more likely to have those tendencies than women - it's not uniform. That's what I'm saying.

We don't live in a world where women pretend to like a man so that he will sleep with her.

SamanthaCaine · 27/06/2023 12:43

Bless you OP. You're asking on MN and expect to get reasonable responses?!

JudgeJ · 27/06/2023 12:53

cassiatwenty · 24/06/2023 13:35

I mean, if I had a fit DH, you bet I would eliminate cute younger nannies and pick A Nanny McPhee granny type of Nanny, an older decent like

Don't let wolves protect your flock of sheep and all that 😹

So you would allow your husband to dictate who you work alongside, maybe having to socialise after work, go on work-related trips away etc. or are women to be totally trusted or their men are being 'controlling'

cassiatwenty · 27/06/2023 21:44

JudgeJ · 27/06/2023 12:53

So you would allow your husband to dictate who you work alongside, maybe having to socialise after work, go on work-related trips away etc. or are women to be totally trusted or their men are being 'controlling'

🤣

To be irritated with friends views on men?
bladebladebla1 · 27/06/2023 23:08

Most of them on here are just like yer mate

ConcordeOoter · 27/06/2023 23:31

Yeah, your friends are right.

Picture this, a man who gives every impression of being a wonderful human being, the dutiful attentive husband, walking straight from the bedroom leaving poorly, mentally frazzled mum he "loves so much" with their difficult-to-feed newborns, to fuck the nursery nurse on the couch nearby. And this goes on for months, and they are still meeting each other outside the home after the she leaves. And you are the friend who finds out about all this, and is saddled with when/how to drop all of this on someone who is at breaking point already.

AMAB

tennesseewhiskey1 · 28/06/2023 00:11

‘You know for a fact’ 🙄

LoopyLoo1991 · 28/06/2023 02:06

YANBU
It's a clichéd joke of 'husbands chasing the nanny' or au pair 🙄

Nanny documentary on channel five showed less than one in 200 nannies or au pairs slept with the mother's partner in last 25 years.
It was different in 19th century and early 20th when servant nannies couldn't turn down the master's of the house.
Older teen siblings are more likely to sleep with au pairs now.
And quite a number of women have 'relations' with their nannies. Friend from college was sleeping with her female employer for eight months. Women's partner was a workaholic, clueless and didn't care when he found out years later.
Only issue was contributions to my friend's pension the couple were meant to sort out.

bumblebee2235 · 28/06/2023 02:18

Well assuming any nanny would do that or your husband would cheat is not an ideal instant assumption.

But I wouldn't do it 😂 I would feel I was setting the scene to provide the possibility and potential haha

Avondale89 · 28/06/2023 02:28

If a husband/partner is going to cheat, they’ll do it regardless of childcare arrangements! Seems bizarre to me to have to factor in getting a childminder over a nanny because she’s scared he’ll fuck the nanny. Seems like an exhausting way to conduct a relationship. It’s also not just men who commit adultery, but there seems to be so much pressure on women to somehow “ensure” their partners don’t cheat. It’s ridiculous. People are autonomous adults who make their own decisions in life. No amount of policing who they have contact with will change that.

Justfeckoffwiththeovulating · 28/06/2023 05:56

I agree with you OP. Utter madness. My ex used to go to the park with a mutal friend sometimes and our kids and I always shocked how many mums thought that he was having an affair or said 'I wouldn't let my husband go out with someone who looked like that!' (She's very attractive).
Your man will see other women in the world! Whether or not they cheat is beyond your control! I also find it pretty anti- feminist to think that the nanny would just shag anyones husband. She's just there to make a living. There's a narcissistic element to those who think everyone is trying to shag your partner/ husband.

SamanthaCaine · 28/06/2023 06:28

LoopyLoo1991 · 28/06/2023 02:06

YANBU
It's a clichéd joke of 'husbands chasing the nanny' or au pair 🙄

Nanny documentary on channel five showed less than one in 200 nannies or au pairs slept with the mother's partner in last 25 years.
It was different in 19th century and early 20th when servant nannies couldn't turn down the master's of the house.
Older teen siblings are more likely to sleep with au pairs now.
And quite a number of women have 'relations' with their nannies. Friend from college was sleeping with her female employer for eight months. Women's partner was a workaholic, clueless and didn't care when he found out years later.
Only issue was contributions to my friend's pension the couple were meant to sort out.

Oh get away with your facts and figures. Why ruin a perfectly good male bashing thread!

Hawkins0001 · 28/06/2023 07:11

Reading

born2runaway · 28/06/2023 07:40

Oh god

Assuming the poor nanny wants to have an affair with your husband is odd

Have you even hired someone one yet?

kwetu · 28/06/2023 07:45

I also trusted my husband utterly and completely, I was wrong, the bottom dropped out of my world, I now trust no-one.

Mmhmmn · 28/06/2023 08:07

TomatoSandwiches · 24/06/2023 13:42

YABU and naive, most men are complete toss pots in one way or another.

😂

peachicecream · 28/06/2023 08:09

I just feel sorry for your friend that she is so insecure and has so little trust in her marriage.

BigFatLiar · 28/06/2023 08:29

Why is she married if she doesn't trust him?

If all men cheat they are presumably cheating with women so it should also go that all women are up for cheating, or else someone out there is having a lot of extra fun.