There are two sexes…

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Well just that really….I have gay, straight, bi sexual and transsexual friends and absolutely have no problem with that, very much a do what makes you happy person.

Butttt….AIBU to think the world is going a bit mad with all the non-female, cis female and whatever other labels are floating about. I’m a woman and that’s that, you are either biologically a male or biologically a female and I don’t mean that in an insensitive way dress how you like and date who you like but surely we can’t just be inventing different/new sexes and telling straight women they are no longer a woman they are now XYZ?

This is true for some parts of the world during some of human history, but not everywhere all the time.

I think that Swyer and de la Chapelle do present some challenges to the definitions, yes, but they are of course very very rare, and in dealing with them in society, ethical and moral considerations come very much into play as much as what the actual biological reality is. The decisions to be made in such cases are in my opinion, very different from trans issues.

We do define the sexes by the chromosomes. In my opinion that is what we must continue to do. A Y chromosome makes you a biological male, whatever else is going on. A lack of a Y chromosome makes you a biological female. It does not mean we cannot have sympathy and empathy for people for whom the very definition causes problems.

Beat me to it 🤣

Honestly, piss off with this. Not being able to have what you want is NOT the same as discrimination.

And re toilets, there is no evidence of transwomen being at risk in men's toilets. None. None at all. But there is evidence of risk to women, of males of any identity in women's toilets. Including the 10 year old girls sexually assualted in the women's toilets by transwoman 'Katie' Dolatowki.

Once again, not having everything you want is not discrimination.

Agree unless they have the rare condition where they are born intersex.

and @EctopicSpleen I did not use the term "real woman". I would not use such a term (except to distinguish from a fictional woman I suppose). There are no "real" or nonreal women. There are women. And then there are men.

Intersex is not a sex.

if you believe it is, what do the resulting humans look like from a coupling of a female and intersex person. Or a male and intersex person?
what is the evolved reproductive purpose and benefit of this third sex?

You can’t answer those questions as there is no third sex. What there are, are DSDs for male people, and DSDs for female people. There are a tiny number of people with DSDs who are genuinely of indeterminate sex, but they are not a third sex as their DSD does not give them a distinctive new role in human reproduction.

But what about societies where there's is a recognised third or more gender? For example in South Asia, or in Native American cultures? It's not binary everywhere and never has been.

You are conflating/confusing sex and gender. Those “otherwise gendered”people will, as individuals, be either male or female, men or women.

Of FFS @neveradullmoment99 please do read the thread...

What do you think gender means?

I'll just keep posting this, then.

'Intersex' is a term that covers various 'disorders/differences of sexual development'.

It's not a third sex.

https://dsdfamilies.org/

I never said it was a third sex.

And I will repeat, the number of people born with both male and female sex organs is in the low hundreds throughout the world.

That person has both sexes and they can choose. which sex they feel is right - male or female.

And (saying it AGAIN for those at the back), intersex is an outdated term, which WAS indeed an accepted medical term in its day (cf cretin, idiot, Mongol) but IT IS NOT ANY MORE.

It is quite remarkable to see people reject being a 'woman' because a group in society has convinced people the word relates to all the tropish stereotypes and stereotyped roles that most women actually don't fit into and don't wish to.

The word woman means 'adult human female', that is all it is. The only thing in common we have is our bodies. Even the way we respond to our bodies will be unique although there may be some commonalities.

What do you think gender means?

Whatever it is, it’s not biological sex.

This is getting tedious. No-one has "both sexes". You either have a Y chromosome or you do not. Finis.

Pisses me off too.

So some men who think they are women and like to wear dresses need to use women's spaces to keep them safe.

So some men want to use women to protect them from other men.

How is that fair?

What person? 'Intersex' covers a range of different conditions. Which one are you referring to?

Biology,male and female bodies, is binary in every culture throughout time throughout the world.

Some cultures have included extra social categories, usually as a way of categorising feminine or gay men, but it's important to note that in none of these did people move from the male to female category or vice versa . So they might recognise more than 2 'genders', social categories, but there have never been more than 2 sexes anywhere.

That's incredibly offensive - you need to educate yourself. People with a DSD aren't a 'third sex'.

@Mamabear04 intersex isn't an option on birth certificates

I think that when a baby is born without clear genitals, the healthcare professionals and parents decide whether male or female is the closest fit and that sex is recirded

A Y chromosome makes you a biological male, whatever else is going on. A lack of a Y chromosome makes you a biological female.

This. Intersex people will have with some X and Y - therefore male - or a number of X chromosomes - therefore female.