There are two sexes…

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Well just that really….I have gay, straight, bi sexual and transsexual friends and absolutely have no problem with that, very much a do what makes you happy person.

Butttt….AIBU to think the world is going a bit mad with all the non-female, cis female and whatever other labels are floating about. I’m a woman and that’s that, you are either biologically a male or biologically a female and I don’t mean that in an insensitive way dress how you like and date who you like but surely we can’t just be inventing different/new sexes and telling straight women they are no longer a woman they are now XYZ?

I think bat-woman could probably do with a dose of Francis Aaron

Stop using intersex.

Biology I imagine. What’s confusing you?

Ok, so say someone has been brought up as female, has anatomy that is suggestive of female, is happy identifying as female as that is all they have ever known, but a test reveals that person has male chromosomes...would you compel that person to use male toilets from that point onwards?

As I understand it, in 5ARD the testosterone is unable to be used in utero, but when puberty occurs the male development kicks in. So taller stronger faster etc

I would say if you would feel more comfortable to dress as a male try that and if makes you happy dress as a man full time speak to a GP about what hormones without rushing into anything and after speaking to professionals take it as far as makes you happy but this doesn’t change your sex your organs are still your organs and there are only 2 sets available you are born with one of the two and that can’t be changed

I am not entirely sure what point you’re trying to make here or why you’re bringing toilets into this when I never mentioned them.

Biologically speaking that person would be male.

Being a girl and a woman where I come from used to mean doing the cooking and cleaning, equivalent of being a domestic slave, having no control over your own life. And for many it meant NOT going to school, college.

I soooo didn't feel like a girl. In fact half my class in a girls school didn't feel like a girl.

I am just me, doing me. You do you. No need to do to anything you don't want to do.

For a 30+ woman in modern day UK, I really don't know what it means to identify (or not) as a woman. You are free to not wear makeup, not simper, not wear dresses, wear trousers, do any job you like and can get, kiss another woman, have sex with a woman (if that's what floats your boat), go anywhere , long hair, short hair, drink, smoke, swear, fart.... heck even mansplain and manspread if you like.

Doesn't change the fact that you ARE a woman.

This is wrong. Caster Semenya has 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency not Complete or Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

In the case of 5ARD that CS has, they actually experience an approaching normal male puberty at puberty when the testes take over production of testosterone.

Even PAIS patients can have near normal circulating testosterone. Probably not enough to beat eleite female athletes though. That's why immoral scouts were previoulsy looking for 5ARD cases in African and India and why all the podium places in the 2008 Olympics 800m female finals were taken by genetic males.

And you could maybe look up all the intersex organisations whose members are quite happily using that term with respect to DSDs.

Thanks for replying.

As you don't really have a gender identity, do you ever feel like you can't really relate to the idea of being a woman? Does it ever make you feel uncomfortable, or like it's less apt a term than it is for someone who does feel like they have a (female) gender identity?

I absolutely hate the term “assigned fe/male at birth” It’s as if up till that point it could have gone either way, and that it could even change at some point. It’s been determined for months by then and you cannot change your sex.

I agree, I hate it too. Sex is observed not assigned. “assigned” makes it sound like Someone made a decision.

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I would explain that nobody "feels like a woman" - it's not a role, or something for you to choose to be. It is simply biologically what you are. Just as you are human. Feelings don't come in to it.
If you're uncomfortable with the gender roles that you feel you're expected to play because of your sex, then of course you can choose not to confirm.

To be fair, over the last few years there has been a rather desperate and aggressive campaign to get any and every discussion about this topic not only confined to the feminism board, but confined to a specially created, entirely separate feminism board (otherwise known as the naughty corner) in order to try and ensure that it is kept away from the rest of MN, lest too many people read it.
Now that the public generally are becoming aware of the problems associated with the ideology (sterilising children, locking up rapists in women's prisons for example) a few OPs are turning up on chat and AIBU. This is particularly annoying for those who would prefer that that people remain unaware of what is happening.
However, the level of ignorance about basic biology is depressing, so clearly the subject does need to be more widely aired.

@nothingcomestonothing calling South Africa a non-LGB friendly country is not correct. There are areas like that of course, in rural parts, but their constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexuality. They were the fifth country in the world to legalise same sex-marriage. There is also, and has been for decades, a massive openly gay scene there, especially in Cape Town.

Caster is not gay though, he is a straight man, who has fathered a child.

Wrong.

no way in hell that person is a science teacher.

@Anskl apparently a ‘science teacher’ wrote that BS post. She also deleted all the comments on her page who pointed out why it was BS and provided evidence showing she was wrong. Very telling.

YANBU and the harm all this shit is doing to our young people is very worrying.

No. They're born either genetically male or genetically female. It may not be obvious by just looking, though. Chromosomal abnormalities are a tiny % and nothing to do with the trans issue and shouldn’t be conflated.

@SmartHome I think she is. Which just makes it even more worrying.

Nope. It's a perfectly apt term for me as a gender non-conforming woman. My personality/choice of clothes/profession etc are all about my personality, not th eimmutable sex class I was lucky/unlucky enough to have been born into.

Sometimes I hate being a fucking woman, often in fact, but I know that is something I can't change. I'd rather spend my time trying to improve the lot of women around the world and stop sexist men running riot rathr than futile navel gazing about wishing I'd been born a man.

Oh come now, everyone knows that two X chromosomes with a male brain and heart makes you male. It's a shame the science teacher didn't expand on how we know the brain and heart are male!!!

I really hope that poster isn't actually a science teacher.

I don't know, it could be ....... but I don't think so. Testosterone has some activity before its metabolized by 5ARD and the enzyme is important in adults. ...it may be that so much is produced around puberty that it exerts a relatively small biological effect.

But in general....the whole basis of these DSDs is insensitivity to testosterone. You can get mutations in the testosterone receptor itself which give a complete insensitivity.