To think that people like anti-abortionist Kristan Hawkins are the enemy of women and feminism everywhere

[Purplefoxes]

Maybe extreme but..I was just reading this BBC article (link below) on Kristan Hawkins and it made my blood boil as I am pro choice. She is the woman from the US organisation Students for Life of America and has been instrumental in over turning Roe v Wade. She is now on the back of this 'success' campaigning for total abortion ban across America . The overturning of Roe V Wade is a decision which will likely result in the death or debilitation of many pregnant women who either cannot access much needed abortions for health reasons or try to access back street illegal abortions or could even commit suicide as a result. Not to mention there could be many unwanted children dumped into the care system or brought up in abusive environments. I just cannot fathom why anyone, let alone a woman would do this. I'm sure if it was one of her kids who was pregnant and needed a medical abortion to save their life she'd change her tune! How blinkered does a person have to be to not think of the impact of banning abortion on both women and children! And how has such medieval policy been allowed to happen in modern day America..could this happen in the UK?! Are we losing our rights as women? When did the life of a fetus become more important than the life of its mother?

BBC article

Where abortion is banned, women are imprisoned because they can't prove that their miscarriages are natural.

Where abortion is banned, women die of sepsis because doctors fear act to save their lives until they cannot detect a heartbeat in the non-viable foetus.

Where abortion is banned, women die of treatable cancers because doctors will not give them treatments which would harm the foetus.

Where abortion is banned, children are trafficked because they are born into families too poor to feed them.

Women have the right to decide what to do with their bodies. Women have the right to appropriate medical treatment. Children have the right to grow up in safety.

If you do not want to have an abortion, then don't. But don't deny other women the right of bodily autonomy that you are exercising for yourself.

Did you not have the option of waiting until you did? Rather than assuming an expertise you lack?

the first report into rising number of backstreet abortion was the in 1939 - conducted by the Birkett Committee. It found that annually there were between 110,000 - 150,000 abortions being carried out per year, with 40,000 to 60,000 being illegal. The estimated number of illegal abortions were based on data collected from medical bodies, which only reported those women that had presented for treatment. In reality the number was likely higher.

In 1965 during a debate on an abortion bill, the evidence presented suggested that the number of illegal abortions was 100,000 a year.

though abortion was legalized in 1967, it was a post code lottery. Many women still didn’t have access to legal services, and those that did weren’t availed of the NHS until the mid 70s.

Simply put, the official statistics do not tell the entire story.

I must admit I'm scared of the future. Safe abortion services isn't just about abortuons in USA. The clincs are also for women's sexual and reproductive health. The past has shown that banning abortions sends them underground, unregulated. Women will die and be exploited. Sadly abortions will be for the rich

But do pre dead adults deserve to be buried early?

Just read that Guardian piece wow she’s a piece of work isn’t she. She needs to be pulled right back into line her long suffering husband needs to man up 4 homeschooled kids and the fact she has no friends of course she doesn’t whose going to be friends with someone like that wise up Kristan there’s so much more to talk about than abortion

If you fall pregnant and cannot afford a baby, and choose to continue the pregnancy, I think you should be supported by the state in funding the child.

If you fall pregnant and the baby is disabled, and choose to continue the pregnancy, I think the state should support the child for the entirety of its life.

If you have a life threatening pregnancy and refuse to abort the foetus I do not think medical professionals should be able to force an abortion on you to save your life.

There is no case where I don't support a woman's individual right to not have an abortion, even if I would in their shoes, so please fuck off re your opinion on my right to have one.

@whumpthereitis

Of course not

So you are in fact opposed to jumping ahead then.

@whumpthereitis

Not sure what you mean

I’m taking the piss out of ‘preborn children’.

They don’t ‘deserve’ to live any more than they deserve to die. It isn’t anything to do with ‘deserving’.

@whumpthereitis

Hilarious. Babies in the womb are human beings. I believe human life is valuable.

🌹I am anti abortion and support Red Rose Rescue.

As a thought experiment, I wonder, if you took the number of abortions that have ever been carried out throughout history, also calculated how many of those would have gone on to have babies if they weren’t aborted, and how many of theirs (etc etc) how many more people would there be on the planet right now? And would that have a positive or negative impact on the planet, environment and the rest of human kind.

As a predead corpse, I lol’d. Who said they weren’t human?

You can believe what you like, it doesn’t change actual facts. Abortions will happen regardless of whether your or the state approves. Your choice isn’t between legal abortion and no abortion, it’s between legal abortion and illegal abortion, the latter of which causes far more injury and death than the former.

Never needed a "like " button on MN so much

It's this hypocrisy of many pro lifers which is disgusting

I almost had an abortion, age 39, with 2 existing children.

I'm personally glad I didn't but I also had:

1. a supportive husband
2. a decent job with decent maternity benefits
3. a stable home
4. family who agreed to help out

If I had none of the above, I absolutely would have chosen my existing children over this unplanned pregnancy.

If someone else makes a different choice, that is fine but why should anyone have the right to dictate another's future life circumstances.

FWIW, it was not easy trying to speak to someone about a possible abortion. It was stressful and I felt really unsupported by the health professionals. It certainly wasn't a rock up and have some pills type experience.

YANBU

I felt so angry reading this

@JellySaurus applause for your utterly eloquent post, and @whumpthereitis thank you as always for your good work.

The bottom line is that keeping abortion illegal kills women. I would love an explanation from the so called pro lifers here how they square that with their consciences.

@Sissynova so bloody true they couldn’t give a fuck about the kids growing up in poverty with disabilities in the care system
@EllaRaines good luck with that what is Red Rose Rescue and are you in the USA

The cunts in America who barge into health clinics and harrass women? No thanks.

If abortion gets banned then why not have the dads bring up their kids instead of the mother? A DNA test would be done if the mother didn’t want/couldn’t look after the baby. The dad would get the baby. The mother would name the father and then the father would have to look after the child. Put this in law if there are any changes in the abortion law. Men would nearly all support abortion and wear condoms if this was the case. Obviously the scenario doesn’t cover contraception failure, abnormalities as no other difficult circumstances.

Actually, no, they aren't. They are a collection of cells with the potential to become a baby. I believe the rights of the woman carrying those cells to bodily autonomy are far more valuable.

But that's irrelevant, isn't it?

In a world where abortion is legal, both of us are free to believe what we like, and are able to exercise our rights to get pregnant and then exercise what we believe in. The second you take away the right to safe abortion, then only one of us is free to act in our best interests.

(And again, not to mention the huge, monumental dangers that are presented to women by restricting access to safe abortion which as ever you anti-choice types choose to ignore).

@ButterCrackers you can be Home Secretary when @whumpthereitis becomes Prime Minister.

Fuck. And you openly admit to supporting that utterly disgusting group? Why?

@whumpthereitis "Your choice isn’t between legal abortion and no abortion, it’s between legal abortion and illegal abortion"

Now do murder/any other criminal offence 🤣 Would you decriminalise murder because it still happens even though it's illegal to kill people?
Seriously, another terrible argument.

Safe, legal and rare it's where it was at. At least then it was still acknowledged that what was happening was a bad outcome that was necessary to prevent a worse one. Somewhere along the way a radicalised minority started pushing for more and more, to the point where we are now where if you oppose abortion on demand for any reason until birth you are some sort of right wing nut and hate women, as if you weren't killing the baby girls along with the boys on those oh such life saving abortions. Insane.