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To think it’s ironic all the stops are being pulled to rescue 5 people from a submarine

474 replies

MrsMillhouse · 20/06/2023 22:52

Yet…. The world allows a boat with hundreds including children to sink

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topnoddy · 21/06/2023 07:57

FancyFanny · 21/06/2023 07:30

They are attempting to rescue the submarine crew because they were not attempting to break the law like immigrants on boats.

The paying passengers are not "crew" are they .

ProfessorXtra · 21/06/2023 08:00

HRTQueen · 21/06/2023 07:57

both are horrific but yes some lives are considered more valuabl

It’s tied in with Titanic story that has kept us entertained as it’s so dramatic for over 100 years and now continues to as horrific as it is

how can they allow a child on board that’s what I can’t get my head around

I don’t think he is a child. I think he is 19.

So still very young and it’s awful. But of an age, I assume, he can sign the releases of his own accord.

I am pretty shocked any parent would encourage their child (adult or not) to do something so risky.

DisquietintheRanks · 21/06/2023 08:03

Hoppinggreen · 21/06/2023 07:46

I hope that too.
I also hope that they get a big bill for the rescue

Do you think all people rescued at sea should pay for their rescue, out of interest?

MotherofGorgons · 21/06/2023 08:06

YESSTEVE · 21/06/2023 07:31

Eh? There are children on those boats, innocent children who aren’t ‘attempting to break the law’. Of course they deserve to be rescued. Fucks sakes, they shouldn’t be condemned to death because they try and come into our country, what a pile of racist shit.

About a 100 children.

HRTQueen · 21/06/2023 08:08

I thought he was 17, he is 19

agree I can’t understand why a parent would encourage their child to take such an unnecessary risk

Hoppinggreen · 21/06/2023 08:09

DisquietintheRanks · 21/06/2023 08:03

Do you think all people rescued at sea should pay for their rescue, out of interest?

No, but I think that very rich people who have paid a fortune to take an unnecessary and dangerous trip to look at what is basically a place where many people tragically lost their lives should foot the bill for their rescue as well. I think the whole thing sounds pretty reckless
The main thing is to get them out safe as quickly as possible but if that does happen they should contribute financially to the cost

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/06/2023 08:10

I'm surprised this thread is still standing.

Is it in the spirit of MN?

Offensiveapprently · 21/06/2023 08:10

Dotcheck · 20/06/2023 22:58

This submarine thing is NOT horrific. They’ve chosen to undertake something which is dangerous, in a vessel which constantly goes offline. I hope they reimburse the public services on the search and rescue team

I don't think you would be thinking like that if it was your family member on board or you were stuck under awaiting your fate.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/06/2023 08:11

EscapeRoomToTheSun · 20/06/2023 23:06

Yes. Wealthy white lives. Lives from the global north. Fucking depressing.

Genuinely staggered by some of these takes. Is it social media that’s made people this mad and awful? I hope it’s not representative; I’d hate to think I was living in a country full of people like this.

SilverCatStripes · 21/06/2023 08:12

iloveeverykindofcat · 21/06/2023 05:25

The news media have a hierarchy of death in terms of which lives matter in reporting. These are (mostly) rich, White, English-speaking people from the Global North. They're at the top. I hope they're found safe, as anyone would. But yes, it is a depressing reminder. My family is Iraqi. One thing that always stays with me is the 9/11 memorial. The people who were tragically murdered on 9/11 have a name, and an inscription. The Iraqis who died in the later invasion are nameless and uncounted.

This is a very silly point. Would you expect the people (of all nationalities) who died at ground zero to have a memorial in Iraq?

As I said earlier there are 9 billion people on Earth- it would be impossible to follow every story equally.

ichundich · 21/06/2023 08:14

It's not just the money and effort spent on those 5 super-rich people, but also the media attention they are getting whilst 500 migrants are still missing off the Greek coast.

BrambleWitch · 21/06/2023 08:15

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This should apply to many walks of life.

AgathaSpencerGregson · 21/06/2023 08:16

Sceptre86 · 21/06/2023 07:35

I think your post is dreadful and if you have limited sympathy because they are rich then that says a lot about you. Will the mother or sister of the 19 year old be any less worried because he's wealthy? Life is life. In the scenarios you refer to both sets of people know there are risks, one set admittedly is hoping for a better life. I think expeditions to the titanic are disrespectful and shouldn't be allowed. It's essentially a macabre grave. I don't agree with the expedition but it doesn't mean they don't deserve to be saved if possible.

The same mentality which lead the guardian to talk about David Cameron’s “privileged pain” when his son died. These people are sick.

Comedycook · 21/06/2023 08:16

FancyFanny · 21/06/2023 07:30

They are attempting to rescue the submarine crew because they were not attempting to break the law like immigrants on boats.

Your ignorance is astounding.

Do you even really think coast guard's see sinking people and do a very quick court case in their head, decide if they're a criminal then only rescue them if they decide they're not guilty?!

QuizzlyBear · 21/06/2023 08:17

I hope they're found but it certainly puts an spotlight on how ghoulish a dangerous, expensive trip to see where thousands died horribly at sea is.

Also ironic that they themselves are now lost at sea. One day maybe someone will pay a fortune to go and view their sub on the ocean floor?

topnoddy · 21/06/2023 08:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/06/2023 08:10

I'm surprised this thread is still standing.

Is it in the spirit of MN?

Leave him !

I'm not sure what the spirit is , mostly gin I suppose .

BlinkeredBay · 21/06/2023 08:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/06/2023 08:10

I'm surprised this thread is still standing.

Is it in the spirit of MN?

its certainly not!

kirinm · 21/06/2023 08:20

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 21/06/2023 08:10

I'm surprised this thread is still standing.

Is it in the spirit of MN?

Something very similar is in the New York Times. This isn't a particularly unusual take and doesn't warrant being removed.

To pretend there are no differences in how some people are treated is staggeringly naive or deliberately ignorant.

Tremel · 21/06/2023 08:20

MrsMillhouse · 20/06/2023 22:52

Yet…. The world allows a boat with hundreds including children to sink

I haven't RTT but I totally agree with you @MrsMillhouse

Tremel · 21/06/2023 08:21

kirinm · 21/06/2023 08:20

Something very similar is in the New York Times. This isn't a particularly unusual take and doesn't warrant being removed.

To pretend there are no differences in how some people are treated is staggeringly naive or deliberately ignorant.

Exactly. I give it a week before this exact comment piece appears in the Guardian

laveritable · 21/06/2023 08:23

Some "LIVES MATTER" more than others! Sad world we live in!

LadyBird1973 · 21/06/2023 08:23

It's the thin end of the wedge once you start saying that only some choices are worthy of rescue, when things go pear shaped.
Okay, these people made a really stupid (imo) decision. But that doesn't mean they deserve to die. People make stupid decisions every day. They still get rescued when they crash their cars or break bones doing extreme sports.
Or when they get into a dinghy and try to cross the sea.

OP, for all you think these people don't deserve rescue, there are other people who think migrants on small boats don't deserve it either! Better to live in a society where everyone gets rescued, even when they've made choices that you personally disapprove of, than a society where someone (who?) decides that only the 'deserving' get help.

Tanith · 21/06/2023 08:23

I don't think the world does allow these boats, with hundreds of people, to sink.
In fact, I seem to recall the likes of Nigel Farage are most put out because the coastguard and RNLI quite rightly go to rescue them.

ichundich · 21/06/2023 08:24

FancyFanny · 21/06/2023 07:30

They are attempting to rescue the submarine crew because they were not attempting to break the law like immigrants on boats.

Their actions may have been legal but from a moral point of view they are a reckless, selfish bunch. The fuel for this trip alone is estimated to cost around $1 million. Meanwhile those migrants flee war and violence.

kirinm · 21/06/2023 08:25

@BCCGoAway read the news and see that you're wrong. Canadian aircrews are already involved.