To think it’s ironic all the stops are being pulled to rescue 5 people from a submarine

[MrsMillhouse]

Yet…. The world allows a boat with hundreds including children to sink

Precisely. Flying to another country to visit people or explore new culture or to relocate or even flying to space on research missions isn’t the same as going down in a submarine to gawk at the titanic. It would be different if these were marine scientists for example going down to examine something for a specific purpose.

A long way down your thread so I doubt you will read this. If you do I must ask; do you have a tiny shred of sympathy for the families of those involved?

To paraphrase, this is an awful thread for awful people and it should now be deleted, I agree.

Not read the whole thread, but agree.

These people knew the risks. They did something incredibly dangerous and the amount of money that has been spent trying to save them will be absolutely ridiculous. I am sad for their families, but this was a stupid thing to do and we have seen that this type of investment doesn't happen when it's not rich people.

In a home made tin can controlled with a play station controller. I mean the risks would have been obvious to anyone.

They were actually doing historical research. They were not “gawking at the Titantic”. Please do not disrespect their lives in such a way.

One of the crew, Jean-Henri Nargeoloet was a world renowned deep sea explorer and Titantic expert.

Another, Hamish Harding was a top pilot and explorer- he was mission director and crew pilot for the flight mission One More Orbit, which set a world speed record for the fastest circumnavigation of Earth by aircraft over both geographic poles. He’d also deep sea dived into the Marianas trench.

Shahzada Dawood is well known for his philanthropy to fund deep sea explorations and research in natural habitats. Without billionaires like him bankrolling a lot of scientific research (ever hear of the Gates foundation?), we’d be a lot worse off as a society. His son, also on board, Suleman, was being raised to have the same values.

If only they'd had your knowledge of deep sea engineering and control systems right?

Not really. The US, Canada, and French are using Coast Guard personnel and equipment. It costs the same whether they are sitting in port, patrolling aimlessness or doing a rescue mission. Their wages are paid either way and the equipment exists and has to be regularly turned on and tested either way. In fact, they probably had an exercise scheduled playacting this that they can now cancel as they’ve done it for real.

Maybe a tiny bit more cost on extra diesel for the ships and avgas for any planes.

Apparently, quite a few experts thought the same as @Nordicrain and got sacked for speaking those thoughts out loud.

Their only crime was trusting a corporation with their lives. Which we all do every time we get on a train or in a plane. Or buying a Tesla for that matter. We trust that the corporation has safety as a priority, that the train will not derail that the plane will not crash and that the car will not spontaneously burst into flames.

I’m not comfortable with calling these poor innocents “stupid” - that’s victim blaming for what the experts have outlined as a clear case of corporate manslaughter due to criminal negligence. The company had sacked and gagged whistleblowers. That’s on them. Not on these five innocent men who are their victims.

This was also the Titan’s fifth journey down to the Titantic, not its first. So no, I don’t think that they knew they were gambling with their lives by signing on.

This was also the Titan’s fifth journey down to the Titantic, not its first agree with this

I think I read somewhere that they knew the risks? It's not a crime to take the risk, of course.

I can tell you - regardless of money - I would not have gotten into an airtight vessel which I would be bolted into, with no means of escape, and which was controlled with a games controller to decend 3000ft under water. It's not a crime, of course, but these are clever people. They must have known there was an enourmous risk in doing this. Apparently all the waivers they signed said as much.

You don't have to be an expert to see that it wasn't a high tech professional solution. But as PP said, experts agree. There had been loads of concerns voiced about the submarine and the company.

Yes, they knew there were risks, but they could not have been aware of just how much risk given all the skeletons only now falling out of the closet about this company.

Even if you’re jumping out of planes you still have consumer rights to expect the company providing that service is not being criminally negligent in regards to your safety.

I’ve been in a submarine and it’s not for the faint hearted.

Ignorant, beyond belief.

Let's hope the 62 per cent, who agreed with this incongruous and sick analogy, never have their loved ones in peril.

Lefty logic, in action. Always toxic.

Hi, yes, I absolutely do have sympathy for their families. I’m sad that they did not survive, and relieved that it was probably a quick death.

This is not about hatred for the 5 on the boat: this is about the lack of attention to a boatload of refugees. It’s estimated that over 100 children died in the boat.

Wasn't 1 of the 5 the company owner or Co owner?

The two situations aren't even comparable. You saw the toxic Ash Sarker post the analogy and ran with it.

Why do some people always have to make things political? That’s so simplistic as well as silly. This is not about left or right. Even if newspaper columnists are usually left or right, they are permitted to comment on topics outside of the political sphere. If a Daily Mail or Guardian columnist is discussing their favourite cake, does this have to track back to their voting preference? Not everything people talk about is related to who they vote for, most humans are more complex than that.

In the olden days (and I’m only in my 40s), this would have been about common sense and safety standards on a tourist trip using experimental technology, not about who people, who had nothing to do with it, but are discussing it, voted for in 2019.

It’s like some people have turned their preferred political parties into the equivalent of football teams and like football bores, have to shoehorn them into everything. Deeply weird as well as tedious and simplistic. I’m sick of this binary and tribalistic thinking which has sprung up over the last few years.

@Endlesssummer2022 yes!! Couldn’t agree more. It crops up in so many threads.

Rich lives don't matter then?
So if you won the lottery and your yacht got into difficulty,or you got into trouble you get left as you are rich and stupid enough to take the risk?
Nobody should choose to allow people to die,including you.
Yes,the titanic should be left alone,but people will always explore and this awful end of five lives is sad for their families and friends.I hope they haven't seen this callous post.

💯 agree. This unfortunate development has been the state of play in the US now for about 10 years and it's come to UK. It only serves the purposes of government to have such a polarised and divided population that see everything through the limiting prism of left or right. It is far easier to manipulate people who see everything in back and white terms.

Your post is quite ironic, given that things are normally blamed on the Tories or the Daily Mail, on MN.