To think it’s ironic all the stops are being pulled to rescue 5 people from a submarine

[MrsMillhouse]

Yet…. The world allows a boat with hundreds including children to sink

I hope the sub is found and the people inside found safe and well. I also don't think the company will be expected to / will pay the costs of their rescue.

I do hope the company is fined / punished for their recklessness though.

This 100%

I hope they get rescued.

Do you think it may be like when someone is rescued on the mountains in the UK. Very often the rescued person donates a huge amount to say thankyou. Now with these people on the sub being billionaires i wonder if, regardless of success or failure all the emergency service involved will be looking at donations to keep them going for the next 100 years. My guess is no.

And ironically, after the sinking of the Titanic itself. The majority of attention was, and still is, on the first class passengers.

The world didn’t allow a boat full of people to sink any more than it did the Titanic. What a bizarre way to put it.

It's not at all bizarre. It makes a very good point about media bias.

Our rescue services are there to get people out of trouble. Regardless of whether its their own fault. Frankly - like the NHS - smokers are treated, they know the risks, they do it anyway, and we all pay the bill.

The big difference in this instance v boats sinking is time/notice for saving these guys. They've days to find them, not hours, so a more co-ordinated effort can be put together.

Well said.

No need for these pleasure trips deep in to ocean to continue. Some people do have more money than sense, and these trips take FULL advantage of those people willing to throw their money at it. It’s always been a potential disaster/death trap waiting to happen.

I just hope that by some miracle they survive.

It's disgusting and poor taste because the Op has opened up a discussion, using the word 'ironic' about rescue attempts being made for 5 people trapped in a submarine on the Ocean floor. Their situation has been compared to migrants in Greece, even though its incomparable presumably because the Op thought, being Mumsnet she would earn brownie points for making it a race issue. It's been pointed out by lots of posters fortunately that it's not and the two are entirely different. The issue is even if there was a political discussion to be had its not the time when 5 people haven't been rescued yet. Their families don't know if they will. People are coming here like the absolute wrongen a few pages back saying they couldn't muster up empathy for them... these are PEOPLE who are running out of Oxygen as we speak. It is a disgrace and Mumsnet allowing it to stay up to be discussed has upset people who think there's a line and people using this thread to make a dig at the rich behind the veil of worrying not enough people are saved ( but they do nothing to volunteer themselves ) should be stopped.

People are more concerned about protecting their right to free speech then the fact that that speech is incredibly hurtful, callous and poorly timed in the circumstances. I'm more concerned about there being no speculation on the worthiness of 5 people who are dying being saved.

But they're not all white....

Of course it's not completely different! Anyone who thinks it is is just showing their prejudice.

As for the horror of running out of oxygen- how do you think the migrants who fall from boats die?

A Canadian plane has detected noise thought to be coming from the Titan. Breaking news, from the Telegraph.

You're right. This has always and will always be the case.

I hope they get them out alive. But I agree with the poster comparing this to deaths on Everest.

@ThreeCoursesForMe if you’re so upset at the nature of this thread then why are you still here reading the posts and commenting further?

I agree. Some people seem to have an empathy bypass as soon as they know someone is wealthy.

It is completely different. Both were offered rescue, the Greek situation was responded to differently by THEIR Coastguard. There's the first difference, the response that was available and the help that subsequently came from that. The next difference is that the submarine is the first voyage of this kind to the Titanic. The macabre irony that the unsinkable ship has led to a submarine also requiring rescue is something the news and media will report on, due to the details of the narrative. There's the second difference. The public / 'world' as some Mumsnetters see it aren't asked 'who do you think is more worthy of a rescue, migrants or the rich?' and we all vote, the factors are different! The Greek boat situation is awful but so unrelated to this and it's so ignorant and uneducated to try to compare the two. Are you suggesting that noticing the differences makes one prejudice against the migrants? If so give your head a wobble.

I think the difference is we heard about the ship after it happened, with the submarine it is hard to avoid thinking of the horror of being trapped and knowing that in a few hours you will die and being totally helpless. I don't know anyone who isn't horrified about the ship and the Greek government are coming in for criticism, it isn't being ignored.

I don't think it is just about wealth, I remember similar horror when the Kursk went down and I doubt that any of the Russian submariners were wealthy. They had less time so it didn't go on for days but it still generated similar reactions in my experience, the sadness for them and their loved ones is very similar.

So only the lives of illegal's are worthy and not those of people who have money? Both ends of the spectrum were foolish, illegals for boarding a small boat that already had 100's of people on it and the billionaires for dropping to the ocean floor in a metal tube that wasn't tethered.

Because I have a view on it that I want to insert? Are you saying you can only comment on threads if you agree with the majority and like the content? :s if anything a thread where people are being so cruel and outspoken warrants responses more than any other.

I don't think they're getting special treatment because they're rich and "white" (that's to whoever made the racist comment earlier assuming that they must be white if they're rich). It's because of the horror of the situation and the fact that it's a race against the clock to save them. It's akin to the Chilean miners, the boys in the Thai cave, and the other submarine with Russians on where they sadly died. None of them were rich but they had the same level of interest.

Exactly.
The fishing boat off the coast of Greece sank in 15 minutes. No one was even wearing a life jacket. Most did not know how to swim.

The Titan is a submersible, they still have over a days worth of oxygen. At the time they were noticed missing they had more than 3 days to find and rescue them.

Minutes versus Days.

Wow! This comment highlights exactly the point OP is trying to get across. You should be embarrassed by your callous attitude - but people like you never are. If you are ever in another country when a disaster happens I do hope you remember your comment and don't complain if rescuing you isn't a priority.

I don’t think that is what the OP is saying. Both groups of people should be rescued and I hope they are; all lives bare precious.
It cannot be ignore though, that the reaction in the media, the amount of coverage, the resources directed at saving them and the sympathy and worry from many corners, is hugely unequal. I fear the constant Tory and right wing media rhetoric about small boat ‘invasions’ has insidiously and permanently entered the consciousness of much of the British public and altered their opinions. It’s done so gradually and repeatedly that I don’t think a lot of people realise it’s happening.
I wonder how the two events have been portrayed in other countries.