To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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If it hadn't been recorded it would have been denied.

We need these recordings to prove this is happening in our schools.

My only concern with recording in school is child safeguarding that is not the case here.

I'm not a teacher but I work with kids. I'm sure I've been recorded when working with kids in their home without the parents. If I was recorded it would not show anything I would be unhappy with. If I'm not happy for my conduct to be witnessed I should not be conducting myself that way.

It’s a very uneven playing field if students can never record teachers because schools have cctv recording students all over the place.

So glad they did record it as few would have believed it. Many interactions with teachers that are reported on here get almost unanimous "didn't happen" responses.

Frankly if you're talking shit and gaslighting the kids who can see through it, get the fuck out the classroom.

Fully accept teaching is a nightmare job but zero sympathy in this case

But even if these children were being racist, no school should have a policy that manages racism from children by screaming at them, shaming them and threatening to kick them out.

These are CHILDREN. They are year 8. If they came from a home where the parents were Holocaust deniers or people traffickers, they may well be so emersed in racism at home that they repeat awful phrases at school. They may behave badly to students of certain backgrounds.

No school should deal with that with the approach this teacher used. The only way is to discuss, explore, appropriately challenge, expose them to alternate views, widen their horizons and experiences and support them to navigate the world whilst beginning to see that they can have different thoughts and opinions to the ones the adults around them espouse.

Schools deal with very difficult situations all the time. There are thousands of pupils who risk harming the children around them with their words or actions. In the main, schools and agencies manage these situations by centring the children and acknowledging their youth and vulnerability, their age being a factor in them not being criminally responsible etc

The idea that you manage any young person who is racist/sexist/sexually abusive/insults those of faith etc by screaming at them, shaming them and excluding then is so obviously unsustainable and doesn't benefit anyone at all.

Teachers are (usually) skilled, experienced educators who manage difficult conversations/conflict with confused young people really well. Part of educating teenagers is exactly about helping them assimilate different views, think through new ideas, see others' views as equally valid etc. It's part of growing up that they need support with.

I’m so pleased this was recorded. Parents need to know what is happening in schools. Gender ideology being taught as fact is unacceptable.

The fact that she's been recorded in the first place says a lot to me. I suspect that this topic has come up before and she's behaved the same way.

In an ideal world the teacher shouldn't have been recorded without permission.

But in a ideal world she wouldn't be spouting this kind of dangerous nonsense with everyone brushing it under the carpet and gaslighting the children who are experiencing it.

Needs must. Now let's have a proper conversation about how teachers should be handling this issue.

I haven't listened to the recording because I believe it shouldn't have been made. I have read a detailed account of what is said. So I won't add to the clicks.

I have seem commentary elsewhere about the girls involved being in trouble for bullying several times. But attack me instead of the girl illegally recording her teacher. That's the way to keep people in the profession.

Well done.

No - because it is a fact that different races exist. Biologically there are two sex/genders so what the teacher was saying was fiction, had she allowed discussion even if playing devil's advocate I would have been sympathetic but she was not doing that.

I don’t feel sorry for her in the slightest. If she hadn’t been parroting ideology and untruths as fact then she’d have had nothing to worry about. There are 3 sexes indeed. Someone like this should be nowhere near impressionable young minds. And she had no business threatening the girls. She should be dismissed.

It's not necessarily illegal to record someone without consent, there are exceptions for example for whistleblowing that's why secret recordings can sometimes be allowed in employment tribunals. You may disagree with the recording, but that doesn't make it necessarily illegal.

If teachers are acting like this, they shouldn't be in the profession quite frankly.

What other subject is it ok to lie about while teaching, and then punish students for not believing it?
I can't think of any others where it would be acceptable, can you?

But as always on here there are so many teachers who will blindly stick up for each other no matter what.

In addition, if people will only stay in a profession when they believe they can use their authority to say anything like this teacher did in their classroom without fear of it being recorded not sure that's the kind of people society wants to stay in the profession of teaching

The children are the innocent party here. They were not being racist. It was a ridiculous comparison by the earlier poster. As the teacher was the person in the wrong, being bigoted, threatening and abusive, it would be far more relevant for the posters who think the girls shouldn't have recorded her if they would say the same if the teacher was being racist rather than give dignity to the frankly pathetic attempt to derail by turning the victims into the imaginary villains.

Thank goodness those girls were brave enough to record this bully of a teacher.

I don't want people like her to be in the profession. So if people who think and behave the same as her leave, great news.

The teacher stated falsehoods as if they were factual, told the girls they were despicable and then threatened the girls with punishments and expulsion.

Even if the girls were the worst bullies in the world (and there is no evidence of that) the teacher revealed herself as ignorant and incompetent.

But if you want to put your fingers in your ears and shout “la la la” loudly so that you can justify your position, nobody can stop you!

Yes it’s a weird thing in the teaching profession. They cannot cope with criticism of one of their own. I don’t see that in the nhs where I work. I will criticise anyone who bring my profession into disrepute.

Here, they either defend the indefensible. Or teachers who are prolific posters on other teaching threads, hide away when they can’t think of a defence. Rather then speak up.

Maybe because you haven't listened to it, you are being oddly swayed by internet rumour. And the conversation as recorded is not about them bullying or being unkind. They are being disciplined for refusing to agree with gender ideology and for sticking to their 'belief' that there are 2 sexes and that biology defines whether you are a boy or a girl.

In the recording, the girls remain calm and fairly even while the teacher is seriously wound up.

The girls state that they respect others' opinions, that they request their opinions are equally respected. They make clear that they are questioning the idea of multiple genders not the individuals involved. They refute the idea that they are homophobic and clearly assert "I have no problem with anyone being lesbian or gay" They are told that they should be more polite or sensitive and they explain that they have already sat through multiple lessons and not spoken up or expressed their (opposing) opinion but that they have finally felt they can no longer go along with what they're being asked to agree with.

The teacher is derogatory, threatening, aggressive and over emotional. She behaves inappropriately.

You can believe you are morally superior for not listening to the conversation but it does place you on the back foot when throwing allegations toward the girls.

But attack me instead of the girl illegally recording her teacher. That's the way to keep people in the profession.

We do not need dangerous bullies like this woman teaching our children. Hopefully the school will see to it that she is no longer in the profession (though she’ll probably just get a tap on the wrist)

If my dd were in that school she would be removed unless the teacher was sacked or disciplined. And I would hope other parents had the common sense to do the same.

Without the recording, nobody would believe that a senior experienced teacher spouts nonsense like 3 sexes, calls children despicable & homophobic and tells them they don't belong in the school - just because they know that sex matters.

What is shameful is that we have a generation of children gaslit into believing they could be born in the wrong body with some of the most vulnerable now on a one way trip to puberty blockers, body modification surgery and life long infertility - aided and abetted by some teachers in schools. Remember some schools transition children in secret from their parents - that's how dangeoroud some of them have become. m -

I have no sympathy for her. I think it is crucial that we continue to use our critical thinking and not passively accept Big Brother mindwash.