To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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But the teacher is teaching an ideology as fact, threatening pupils who don't agree with her and has been hideously offensive about people with DSD

Ironically no one seeks to figure out that if sex was a spectrum or dsds were a third sex or whatever then they wouldn't exist. DsDs are only DSDs because we know sex is binary. They confirm that fact. They dont prove the point a tra makes at all.

@MagnificentMagnolia the girls got it better than you or the teacher. You are mixing up gender and gender identity.

YABU.

The teacher said there are 3 biological sexes and gender is a fact and the pupil isn’t allowed to have an opinion otherwise.

Absolutely shocking. Thank god she’s sacked.

I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher is disciplined or sacked by Rye College. "Oh she stepped over the line with saying despicable" and it'll be swept under the carpet and they'll carry on before.

However, let's hoping this further sunlight really gets the ball rolling and department of education, unions, nhs etc where gender ideology is pushed crumbles to pieces.

YABU. I'd be furious if a teacher spoke to my child like that.

I think the teacher should be dismissed on the spot and the child given her job!

Thank god she’s sacked

I don't think she is, is she?

"We have mortgages, children to feed. "

So where do you draw the line?

Do you actually have any principles?

Did you become a teacher to pedal nonsense like this?

Do you mean you will say anything to pay your mortgage?

If not, where is your dividing line?

Here is the audio clip https://www.tiktok.com/@urgalcrystal/video/7245383841873923355?_r=1&_t=8dEqrgzepeE&social_sharing=v5

Poor children.

”And those saying 'it's fine to film me at work' in their cosy office/corporate training jobs- are you happy for the most stressful moments of your parenting life to be filmed and shared too? Because teaching 30 teenagers is like parenting on steroids.”

I’m not a teacher, but I have dealt with the general public over many years, including some absolute arseholes and it is in no way comparable to parenting. Nobody is perfect, but a teacher is in a professional position. A parent who lashes out when exhausted is an exhausted parent. Not ideal, but it happens and I wouldn’t expect social services to remove the child if it happened once. A teacher who does the same, even once, should expect to be sacked. A teacher can walk away, a parent cannot.

Do I expect them always to be perfect? No. But it is not comparable to parenting, it’s a job.

Many people in difficult jobs that involve telephones are indeed recorded at all times. If it was required of teachers that they were recorded at all times, then I would expect them to deal with it. As another teacher said upthread, the end result of constant surveillance is that everything becomes depersonalized, which isn’t good, but I still expect teachers to behave like professionals. Would it be awful if you were recorded when inexperienced and therefore less competent? Yes, that would be tough, but inexperience is understandable and that teacher’s position can be defended on those grounds. Similarly a teacher dealing with an impossible class can be cut some slack if the class is not under control.

But that isn’t what was happening in the recording under discussion. This teacher did not sound as if she was in any way out of control, but nevertheless behaved like an incompetent bully and if the recording shows that, then that’s on her to face up to and the school to deal with.

Teachers must be aware that recording is now possible at all times. It may be against the rules and there may be punishments for those who break them, but a teacher who behaves unprofessionally on a regular basis has to expect that, at some point, it might catch up with them.

It's the "You need re-education" threat that worries me a lot.

It's what did in Soviet Russia and China. Re-educate until everybody thinks the same way.

I have spoken to three teenagers about these issues over the last three months. All of them (two girls and a boy) are fed up of the nonsense spouted by teachers. One said "I hate it when the teachers lie to us and expect us to lie too. If we lie about anything else we get into trouble."

... last few months...
MN: why isn't there an edit facility?

I do feel sorry for her, for a variety of reasons. That she plainly doesn’t understand biological principles, that she isn’t able to argue her point without resorting to threats. It is a shame that she has been outed - her position at the school, and with the students is probably untenable. I would prefer it if she didn’t lose her job, on the basis that the whole school teaching body should be properly trained and this is a failure in the part of the school, but can’t see how she can stay there now.

the responsibility is not just hers, it is that if the school’s too.

having said that, I don’t agree with recording as a general principle - but if this can highlight to this and other schools the dangerous road they are on then it has to ultimately a positive thing.

I’ve just listened to that and I am f*cking appalled. That teacher needs sacking. Those students expressed their opinion that there are 2 genders, and were bullied, called homophobic etc. They even pointed out the very mature and correct fact that homosexuality and trans are not the same thing which the teacher shut down. She then threatened them with being reported and being re-educated or move schools.

Well done to those 13- year old girls for not taking this gaslighting, bullying crap.

That teacher needs sacking.

I'd be furious if a child of mine acted like that.

I'd also fully expect them to be excluded.

The teacher explained perfectly well the separation between sex and gender.

She should not have been recorded.

I was appalled by what she said - she was promoting a point of view and telling students what they could or could not believe, not allowing discussion of the views. Promotion of such ideology needs to be stopped as this generation are being manipulated

People shouldn't be recorded without their knowledge and consent.

Would you have the same opinion if the kids were being racist?

The children should not be punished for recording otherwise society is basically saying don't record people in authority and a lot of wrong doing has come to light because people secretly recorded the perpetrators.

@ilovesooty

Teachers should not be abusive gaslighting twats as this one is. Thank goodness they recorded it!

People shouldn't be recorded without their knowledge and consent.

They should if what they are saying is completely unacceptable.

Secret recordings can be taken into account for example in some situations in employment tribunals we should not be teaching children to not record but looking at the triggers that made them make that decision just having a blanket don't record anyone attitude could under mine them and their rights in the future

I think they were right to record her. They probably wouldn’t have been believed otherwise. Hopefully listening to her ridiculous views spoken out loud (and being drummed into malleable children) will help at least one other person change their mind about this utter tripe.