To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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No. I don't care. You don't secretly record people. You wouldn't be happy if you were secretly recorded by your manager and it got put in the press. You wouldn't be happy if a teacher secretly recorded your child and put it into the press.
There are complaint processes in place. Those should be followed. Not secret recordings.

The chapter on immersion in fiction in Kathleen Stock’s Material Girls is spot on in this case.

I hope this incident makes parents rise up and challenge schools even more on this issue.

Yup.
Im gender critical but my first thought was to wonder whether the 'cat' girl was in the school or not.
If they're just laughing at someone they saw on tiktok that's very different to them ganging up on a (clearly very confused) child in their class.
I'd be pretty likely to use the word 'despicable' if talking about transphobic bullying of a child identifying as the opposite sex/non binary. That's what transphobic actually means, not how it's overused to mean having the opinion that sex is fixed.

And those saying 'it's fine to film me at work' in their cosy office/corporate training jobs- are you happy for the most stressful moments of your parenting life to be filmed and shared too? Because teaching 30 teenagers is like parenting on steroids.

It's naive of the teacher to think they weren't being recorded. At university the rooms are recorded whenever there is a scheduled session, you can't edit it, it all goes straight onto the VLE by the end of the week. We also are warned to assume students are screen videoing our calls with them without asking and secretly recording. It's ruined teaching, no longer do I pepper my content with personal anecdotes to bring the content alive, but it is what it is.

Students and parents,can disagree with teachers bit you don't secretly record them. How would you feel if teachers started recording your children and putting it online. It would be totally unacceptable. And so is this.
If you don't like what is happening in school, follow the complaints process.

She sounds like a dangerous muppet, so no, no sympathy for her at all.

It is also true that teachers desperately need guidelines on this topic. But this woman's issues aren't about someone struggling to know what to say. She really means it.

Where are the teachers unions in this? They should be all over it and fighting for their members needs for guidance. Am I right in saying that at least one is totally captured though?

Children should not have to keep secret what was said in their classroom, what good will that do?

All part of the plan, disown family if they don't slavishly follow your rules, have private conversations on charity chat forums where you are told not to tell anyone.

If I hadn’t heard it I might feel the same as the OP, but the teacher comes out with so much drivel and threatens the girls, so they were right to put it online.

As I understand it, the girls were asked to stay behind after calling someone out for ‘cat’ gender, then decided to make the recording.

It’s shining a light on the way gender ideology is promoted in schools.

The video - it’s actually an audio recording only - is freely available on Tik Tok - linked from Twitter.

One of the girls’ mothers posted it on Twitter on Saturday. To her credit the girl called out a Twitter account that posted the teacher’s picture and details.

“All because they believe biological sex matters and gender is irrelevant”.

No. Because the students did or said something to the cat student. But of course they cleverly leave that part out. And people on here don’t mind because it suits their agenda.

Right. I’m off to work. And no, I am not a teacher.

The teacher sounds like zealot, not some weary put upon member of staff trying to deliver course content she might not breve in. I heard a teacher (a career involving trust) telling two calm students what to think, how to act, and the punishments for not being compliant. Growing up and maturing is about questioning the status quo. Making balanced judgements, weighing nuances. The teacher was.completely unprofessional.

I don't want her to be doxxed online, for her to receive threats and abuse or for people to go after her employer, those are the actions of TRAs. I would rather she learned from this episode and become a better teacher.

The difference is this is not a manager (person of influence/ power) doing the recording but the ‘lower’ down person.

If someone at work had been verbally abused before and was called for a disciplinary meeting they knew would be more of the same / being gaslit / words but in your mouth then yes you might need to record for your own protection.

If they didn’t put it online no one would believe this is happening.

I sat in in a training session for the students where they were told man or woman was outdated terms and you should refer to people as penis or vulva havers! I have no proof of this and lots so people claim this never happens.

Some people have pointed out that the context (we think) is that the girls had been (perhaps) making fun of another girl who says she is a cat.

I've been teaching for over ten years, and although no one has said they are a cat, I have dealt with kids making fun of other kids more times than I can count. It is a standard thing to deal with. I've never had to call anyone despicable.

You keep them behind after the lesson, have the standard calm conversation about code of conduct. You don't tell kids what they should think, only how they should behave.

"It doesn't matter what you think about Catgirl. You need to keep your views to yourself around her. I will be monitoring your behaviour over the next few days and we will discuss this again if I find you're continuing to be hurtful to classmates." Job done, they can feel free to put me on tiktok. It's really not hard. No need to engage on the ideology or try to change their views.

Who would possibly believe a story in which girls claim that their teacher threatened them with expulsion because they wouldn't agree their classmate was a cat without a recording? It doesn't sound believable. It's unbelievable. But here we are.

I can't get the link to open. Has this actually been verified? If a Teacher is genuinely bullying and threatening students then it can only be a good thing that it comes to light IMO but schools are having lots of issues with kids creating "deep fakes" of Teachers and posting them online, recording their voices and editing them to embarrass them or get them into trouble for things they haven't really said. The cat thing makes me suspicious as there was a story doing the rounds a while ago on social media about kids identifying as cats and schools going along with it, providing litter boxes, letting them crawl around the floor etc and it turned out to be a big hoax. Before this Teacher is crucified I'd want to be 100% sure it's real.

The teacher was behaving appallingly to those poor girls and her bullying should mean she automatically loses her job. If she was bullying the girls about any other subject would people be defending her in the same way?

She should absolutely have been recorded. If she is so sure she is saying the right things she should have no problem with this. She is clearly a bully and a crap teacher. However I’m uncomfortable with it being put in social media, the recordings should firstly have been used to go higher up the school to complain about her, and then maybe if nothing was done social media could have been considered. I have seen this lady’s picture posted on Twitter with people mocking her appearance which is not right.

This is IF of course the girls were being mean to the cat-girl, we don't know if that did happen. If they did, that's easy to deal with without blowing up and preaching The Gender Faith

I personally agree with the comparisons with whistle blowing. When teachers are teaching Orwellian untruths people bloody well deserve to know. Parents cannot possibly know how entrenched the Stonewall woo really is unless they’ve been paying extra close attention.

Trying to pivot the conversation onto the modern plague of recording and the personal circumstances of the teacher is ignoring the greater problem of children being taught to deny the evidence of their own eyes.

I don't feel sorry for her at all. She basically told them they should be expelled for having their own very reasonable opinions.
She wouldn't have said it if she knew it was being recorded, which says a lot.

Cat girl (sorry can’t think of a better name) was being asked to make a statement so it sounds like it was someone at the school.

The girls on the video claim they said “how can you be a cat when you are a girl?” They didn’t record the lesson so no evidence either way here. But since when did saying this become a disciplinary offence?

I doubt this is the first time it has come up and the students are fed up of it.

Students and parents,can disagree with teachers bit you don't secretly record them. How would you feel if teachers started recording your children and putting it online. It would be totally unacceptable. And so is this.
If you don't like what is happening in school, follow the complaints process.

No. If a teacher is trying to brainwash my child and bullying them, I will fully support them recording that teacher. You know as well as I do, if there wasn't a recording, nothing would be happening. Those girls did what they had to do.

Yes this.

If you need official guidance to tell you not to lie and gaslight children, or threaten them if they won't comply with your lies, you shouldn't be a teacher.

Is everything I do at work always 100% perfect? No of course not. But this wasn't a clumsy phrase or a mistake, this was an adult in a position of power threatening children because they questioned her belief system. I don't want people who do that teaching my kids, no matter how many dependents or mortgages they've got.

The teacher in question is so convinced that she’s correct that she forgets that to be a good teacher encouraging a student to think around a subject is much more useful.
She could have asked the question if your friend truly believed they were a different gender how would you discuss this with them?
Would it be fair to invalidate their belief even if you didn’t agree with it?
This way the girls will probably, hopefully, still retain their gc beliefs but will be kind and respectful within their discussions.
Tbh the girls seemed more mature than the teacher.

I strongly suspect this isn't the first time the teacher has preached gender ideology to pupils, which is why the girls started the recording.

But the teacher is teaching an ideology as fact, threatening pupils who don't agree with her and has been hideously offensive about people with DSD.

Teacher was saying there are three sexes not three genders as some posters here are saying. Clearly she was wrong. She considered intersex to be a sex in its own right. Girls were saying there were only two genders. Gender ideology proposes there are around 100 genders. The ideology she was teaching regarding genders must have been approved by the school but the girls were not buying it. The distinction between sex and gender is really important and I'm not sure the girls got it. Not surprising, as it is often confused and fudged. I hope this case forces some clarity. Girls will probably be in trouble for filming and publishing through especially since the teacher's name was given. Schools should have regulations about that.