To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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The problem is that unions and schools have signed up to a nonsense ideology.

Teachers who have existed for a long time in a tickbox culture are trying to do as they are told, rather than engaging their brains.

People asking for guidance are basically willing to spout the authoritarian/party/McCarthyist/Orwellian (take your pick) line.

The problem is that will never work because the goalposts continually shift so you can always be denounced.

No one would have believed them if we had not heard the recording.

This. I’m on the girls’ side on this one. Well done to them.

My teen DD would be firmly on the side of the girls. The teacher was out of order and the girls are absolutely not being homophobic.

That said, I do feel sorry for teachers. They are underpaid for what they do, and unions should offer proper support on this topic.

But you agree with the teacher, don't you?
You've been on trans threads for years, telling people that it doesn't affect them, there's nothing to see here, or you're all transphobes anyway.
Can you see that it's affecting people yet, or still burying your head? Or is it only when something affects you, such as teachers being recorded, that it matters?

@ItsFunToBeAVampire I can't actually see the story that the op posted so I can't say really, but that doesn't change the fact we are working in the dark.

A lot of my meetings are online and recorded, it’s not something I think about because I’m a professional at work. In a classroom you are always talking to children - I think an excellent approach is to behave as if you are being recorded, why should you ever say something to a child you don’t want sensible adults to hear? I do understand that in a pretty limited set of circumstances you might say something you don’t want their parents to hear, and in those circumstances you should already have consulted the safeguarding lead about that child, but as a rule you should consider your classroom words public words. Children should not have to keep secret what was said in their classroom, what good will that do?

i do feel sorry for the online pile on the teacher is probably experiencing, that kind of thing is horrendous. But not for having angry parents at the school falling over them selves to get to the heads door to complain about your teaching and the schools policies. If everything that teacher said was clearly in the school policies then the angry parents will be able to see that and focus on the school. If it wasn’t and this is personal views, then teaching impressionable young people maybe isn’t their life calling.

They were brilliant. I’m glad they’ve given proof of the situation

Do we know how much of this crap the class had to swallow before the girls concerned recorded the teacher? If they'd had to sit through several lessons of this queer theory indoctrination before, I can easily understand their wanting to get it out there to put a stop to it.

Once upon a time, you could have had a good conversation about 'can a human consider herself to be a cat? Where do we draw the line?' But you can't now. If someone says they are a cat you have to play make believe.

Ultimately, any teacher should be able to justify what they teach. This one won't be able to, nor the manner in which she taught it.

I really hope this is part of the long-overdue downfall of this ideology.

The teacher shouldn’t have been doxed online but I think the girls had no real option but to record in this case. No one would have believed them if they hadn’t and they would have been sanctioned at school.

As teachers we need to stay as neutral as possible. My GC views are just that mine, as is the fact I am an atheist

The teacher could have discussed that telling the cat girl to her face she was mentally not well was inappropriate without going on a personal crusade and rant.

I dont feel sorry for anyone who thought they could get away with gaslighting amd brainwashing children. If you dont want to be filmed making a twat of yourself and telling kids believing in reality and biology makes th.despicable then perhaps just dont do it?

Dont play the victim when caught out.

The problem with the trans issue is everyone is at a different stage along the thinking.
We all started at be kind. Some people are still there.
When anyone looks in to it, you quickly realise this is an abhorrent ideology.
But people are completely confused and scared.
I don't think this is the teachers fault (whilst being clear that I think what she said was wrong and awful), I think the problem is higher up and the guidance they've been given the past few years.

The problems all started with the slogan TWAW. That is the crux of the problem. They are not.

It isn't fair of the government to ask every organisation to put in place measures to keep everyone happy. They can't. There's a conflict of TWAW.

We need governments to come out and very clearly say TWATW and have that as the starting point.

As a teacher myself, I sometimes say the wrong thing. I'm human. I would be horrified to be recorded then. But, but, but. This recording needs to be out there to get some new/better guidance in place. So. I'm torn. But, yes, I feel for her.

Feel sorry for the recording , definitely shouldn’t be happening .

I feel sorry for teachers who feel confused by the whole thing and who know that women are female people and men are male people but feel forced to teach this nonsense about things being assigned at birth and most people being cisgender and all the rest of it.

I don't feel sorry for this teacher. You can hear the trembling self righteousness in her voice. She was enjoying herself. In Gilead, she'd have been Aunt Lydia.

Why? When a teacher is bullying a student, why should they not be recorded?

My sympathy is with the girls, who were excellent.

I feel sorry for teachers in general and the position this issue places them in, but some teachers are part of the problem and having listened to the recording, this teacher appears to be one of them.

”There seem to be stories cropping up fairly often where teachers have been disciplined for NOT going along with the whole preferred pronouns bollocks. Now this one has apparently gone too far with it. We need much clearer guidance on this.”

There’s a discrepancy there though, isn’t there? Teachers have been disciplined and even sacked for not adhering to gender ideology, but that is coming from above. This time, the pushback is coming from below.

The power imbalance is very clear and part of the problem until now has not been lack of guidance, but rather that the guidance has been pushing an incoherent ideology. Teachers who were uncomfortable with that have felt unable to argue because of the risk to their careers, so something needed to happen to address the imbalance and that is what is now occurring.

Teachers shouldn't record students.
Students shouldn't record teachers.

It's totally unacceptable.

This!

I am quietly relieved that the generation of young people coming through have more sense to question gender ideology. Hopefully it will be short lived and we can return to acknowledging biology, reducing gender stereotypes so that people don't get confused thinking that if they don't conform they need to change.

I think the girls dud really well to maintain a reasonable tone despite their crazy teacher who told them that they were wrong, homophobic, that it was sad that their mother would support their accurate observation of reality, then threatened them with expulsion and then re-education.

How anyone can defend that shit show us beyond me.

I do have sympathies with teachers on this issue generally though. Lack of proper guidance demand that they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

But if a teacher is teaching like in this recording, probably the only way to get it out in the open is for it to be recorded. Otherwise it is minimised or not believed.
The recording wasn't for nefarious means, it was in essence whistle blowing.

Those students knew what was coming which is why they felt they needed to record. Sounds like they’d been told to stay at the end of a lesson to be spoken to. I bet they know exactly what this teacher is like so felt they had to record it to protect themselves.

Do we know how much of this crap the class had to swallow before the girls concerned recorded the teacher? If they'd had to sit through several lessons of this queer theory indoctrination before, I can easily understand their wanting to get it out there to put a stop to it.

My thoughts exactly. Why would the girls record a conversation if they didn’t know which way it was going to go?

The fact that the TRA tactic so far has been indoctrination, ‘no debate’ and a massive backlash to anyone that disagrees with or questions anything to do with trans ideology, just shows how weak that ideology is.

School should be somewhere debate can be held and views expressed. My son has some particularly ridiculous teachers who are like this including one who during a lesson on slavery made the statement “and now in 2022 almost nothing has changed” which is clearly ridiculous . That teacher really lost my sons respect and the message which I’m sure was far more reasonable got completely lost.
when we try and force children to think a certain way it can often have the complete opposite effect. The teacher in this situation sounds like a bully

I'm trying to understand all this.
ADHD, ASD - variations in the human genome that shouldn't be "fixed".
Gender dysmorphia - a genuine blip when the brain is wired as a sex different to the body which accompanies it. Can't be fixed, but adaptions to living can be made.
Thinking you're a cat - mentally unwell.
I support the girls' argument, but I feel sorry for the teacher. If I had been recorded every time I had said something questionable I'd be in jail.