To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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Link to article here:

Here’s the link to the resources https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education/annex-b-resources-for-relationships-education-relationships-and-sex-education-rse-and-health-education

It doesn’t say anything about researching the groups. And they are called Suggested Resources.

“There are many excellent, free resources available for schools to use when providing these subjects. Schools should carefully assess each resource they propose to use to ensure they are appropriate for the age and maturity of pupils and sensitive to their needs. Where relevant, schools should use resources that are medically accurate”

Pretending that they haven’t recommended Stonewall is just pure bullshit.

I teach maths.

It's out of order. teacher's have enough to cope with without being secretly recorded.
Kids are little shits though, so of course they will if they get the chance.
Regardless of how much I disagree with what's being 'taught' no-one should be secretly recorded in their work place like this.

Unfortunately the unions seem to be in the vanguard of pushing some of the most egregious bullshit.

If they're prioritising pushing ideology over protecting their members, shouldn't those members be holding them to account? The unions simply aren't doing their job if they're letting teachers be exposed like this.

I know that. The unions, who clearly don't have an agenda to support the Tories in a counter cultural production to act as a distraction while the planet burns, have been a strong champion of the gender bollocks. They have made teachers vulnerable to this shit.

So, you're alright Jack?

If the government told you to teach 2+2=5 would you do it without question? After all, it would be a statutory requirement.
Because there is no difference between the "wrongness" of 2+2=5 and there being 3 sexes/however many genders.

If gender ideology gets taken further by a new gov the issue won’t go away just because there’s an attempt not to talk about it.

More students will whistleblow and more parents will push back

What on earth? You've said the government doesn't tell schools to research the sources but quoted direct the advice 'Schools should carefully assess each resource they propose to use to ensure they are appropriate for the age and maturity of pupils and sensitive to their needs' - exactly what is that if not telling schools to check the sources? After all, as we've seen with Stonewall, organisations can change ideological direction very quickly and carefully under the radar making it difficult for those as DfE to change the sources list in time.

This is where teachers need to have their fight, with the unions not with 15 year olds. Unions need to disassociate themselves from groups like stonewall etc. Teachers need to remove themselves from unions which support harmful ideologies.

This is where teachers need to have their fight, with the unions not with 15 year olds.

Exactly

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/discussing-womens-rights-offensive-in-teaching-unions-proposal-to-change-definit/

The girls were being abused by their teacher. No one would have believed them. The school would have closed ranks to protect that teacher. So they recorded the abuse. Given that they felt they had to do this I'd be interested to know how long it had it been going on and if they'd been disbelieved in the past. And even now it's not enough - they're still disbelieved, grown adults call them bullies because of what the proven unreliable and abusive teacher says on the recording as if they should have any credibility, compare them to racists in the hope that mud sticks and refer to them in a roundabout way as 'little shits.' What does that say about society?

It would have helped my kids, one of whom has an autistic spectrum diagnosis and one of whom has autistic traits. Both are high functioning 'little professor' types.

Such children struggle throughout school with fitting in to the peer group, who view them either as superhuman knowledge machines or socially worthless geeks. The particular cohort they happen to join tends to dictate their self-esteem levels no matter how hard you work as a parent to give them self-confidence, resilience and coping strategies (on top of dealing with their various other problems, e.g. sensory issues, executive function deficits etc).

As a result they spend most of their childhood feeling like a square peg in a round hole. Imagine the relief if a trusted teacher or a visiting specialist coming into the school does a class or workshop saying, "If you feel like a square peg in a round hole, you may have been born into the wrong body. You are trans and all you need to do to feel happy and better about yourself is adopt these behaviours and have these medical interventions. If your parents are unconvinced, explain to them that you're X times more likely to become suicidal if they don't agree." And that message is repeated again and again until they, their parents (often) and everyone in the class believes it and goes along with it as if it's a fact.

I'm sure the Scientology church would have liked this kind of access to confused and vulnerable children and teenagers.

So yes, in my opinion these lessons shouldn't happen full stop, and that would help the vast majority of school-age children, their families and society at large.

In the rare instances where a child is experiencing spontaneous gender dysphoria, that should be acknowledged as a pathological state, they should have access to neutral psychotherapeutic intervention that involves their parents instead of actively alienating them, and where necessary their peer group should be talked to about being supportive and kind just as a school would do if a child had any other medical condition that required the support and understanding of their peers. (I presume - I'm not a teacher.)

@noblegiraffe yes as @Alltheprettyseahorses stated it does tell schools to check resources.
When I first complained to DD's school in 2019 I did my own research. It doesn't take long. I found "Safe Schools Alliance" and "TransgenderTrend" very useful. I paid for resources from TT to be sent to my DD's school as they provide guidance to teachers on how to navigate the inclusion of "trans" in schools so they are doing their duty as it were of covering the trans topic but without misinformation and the nonsense from trans lobby groups.
Of course my DD's school chose to not use the TT or SSA approach but to go with Stonewall. They have a choice!

Three teachers in my small school have recently been made redundant because the school cannot afford to pay their wages. I am gender critical and I deeply disagree with the unions stance on gender issues. However, I am actually currently a member of two unions, because I feel it is essential that we coordinate strikes in tandem to ensure any pay rise we receive is fully funded.

The issue of having teachers who do not understand the subjects they are teaching goes beyond gender issues. I recently had a trainee teacher who had a very basic qualification in the shortage subject she was trying to teach. Since getting this qualification she had a stroke and had forgotten the entire content of the course. She was trying to recover that knowledge whilst studying to teach the subject she had forgotten, whilst also dealing with memory loss issues. The students were having to show her what to do. In addition she had no presence and no behaviour management skills. This reflects the quality of a good proportion of the applicants we are now getting. For all those saying we need to get rid of the bad teachers, right now, anybody with a pulse that passes a police check is literally an acceptable option for some schools.

Teachers cannot withdraw from unions at this point in time. Schools are too broken to carry on as they are.

Teachers cannot withdraw from unions at this point in time. Schools are too broken to carry on as they are.

This is what ideological capture looks like, right?

So, you pay your dues, they impose their ideology by stealth, and you hang on in there, over a barrel, for survival.

Who is holding the unions to account?

My position is that I'd rather the TQ+ was not included in school teaching. But as the T is included atm then it ought to be just briefly mentioned as a belief system and made clear to children that it is not age appropriate for school children.
Children should be taught that sex stereotypes are wrong and they can dress how they like etc without having a gender identity.
Some argue that if schools and parents are unable to or not allowed to include "trans" then the children will get their "information" online and from their peers.
Until there is a change - Schools should be transparent and share what they are using in schools. That way we can see if the resources are age appropriate or misinformation: most are not age appropriate and most are nonsensical and dangerous even as they do lead to medication, binding, surgeries, mental health problems...
I have had some resources shared with me but not enough and not all I have requested.

FourTeaFallOut
Teachers cannot withdraw from unions at this point in time. Schools are too broken to carry on as they are.

This is what ideological capture looks like, right?
So, you pay your dues, they impose their ideology by stealth, and you hang on in there, over a barrel, for survival.
Who is holding the unions to account?

Its called 'forced teaming', and its also a false dilemma - a ''fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available''. (Wikipedia)

I get the forced teaming aspect, but I’m not sure that I’m experiencing a false dilemma.

There are apparently some unions that have a more gender critical perspective. They don’t have the numbers to affect collective bargaining. I either choose the large union capable of having an effect on school conditions in general, or the small union that would support me taking a more openly gender critical stance at work.

That seems like an actual, rather than a false dilemma to me.

And if you were to lodge your protest with the largest unions who are capable of effecting change, what would happen? Is compliance a prerequisite of membership or would your dissaproval just be filed in the bin?

Nellodee
I get the forced teaming aspect, but I’m not sure that I’m experiencing a false dilemma.

No - the false dilemma is 'you either let this happen or you have another 5 years of Tory austerity' kind of choice.

Disagree with being recorded.
Disagree with the response to criticism from the pupil about another and their self ID.

The situation in schools currently is a mess, I'm sure we all agree on that. Incidents like this one are only going to increase if it continues. So that's the choice.

I have huge sympathies for anyone trying to exert change in a powerful union, but these bodies are there for your protection. They should be prioritising members rights, safety and concerns. If they aren't, no one else can fix that.

It shouldn't get to a point where students feel they need to make a recording to have any chance of being taken seriously and not bullied and gaslit by the people in "authority". I have absolutely no doubt that if there was no recording, the teacher would get away with their intimidating behaviour. I'm afraid when people abuse their power over people, whistleblowing can be necessary. Would you say that it would be wrong for a police officer to be recorded if they were bullying and threatening an innocent member of the public? Teachers have a responsibility to behave like the professionals they expect to be treated as.