To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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Which is why the unions stood up and said to the government "this is nonsense, we can't ask teachers to teach this, we are being asked to harm vulnerable children with this ideology during school hours", right?

So you don’t want anything to change then?

No further guidance needed in your view

Unfortunately for the culture wars claimers students and parents are interested in what’s going on with this

If it's all just culture wars caused by the Tories, how come it's happening in every other English-speaking country as well?

I never understand why it's blamed on the people that are objecting either, surely you need to look at who is suggesting ludicrous things and expecting everyone to go along with it (and why) before blaming anyone else.

No one can even define gender in a way that isn't circular or based on stereotypes, so why on earth is it being taught as fact in schools? Would you be OK with conservative religious types teaching your kids what they should believe and threatening them with expulsion if they disagree?

I did a wee up a lamp post, stole a child’s sandwich and chased after a squirrel barking this morning- apparently I’m seeing a really nice doctor later. The waiting room has interesting decor with duvets all over the wall

If there's a culture war it's nothing do do with the Tories. This is Labour legislation and the overreach of it is pushed politically by Labour, SNP, Lib Dems and Greens. It's also the same 4 parties with elected MPs and councillors who spend so much time and effort on trans issues that it's almost to the exclusion of anything else. The accusation that it's a Tory culture war is pure DARVO. Tories aren't doing much anyway and let's be honest would completely ignore the subject given a free choice.

The Tories are in power.

And the people who hold them to account, where are they? What are they saying? Happy to vote for anyone who recognise women as a sex class so just let me know.

This is a ground up push back which would be happening whoever was pushing gender ideology.

Not all parties would listen, some would say it’s not an issue. It doesn’t make how people react to it go away though.

Anyone? Regardless of any other policies they have? Never mind answering. We've been here before I think.

Okay, I'd consider voting for anyone who recognise women as a sex class. Let me know the list of opposition parties to choose from.

Given that the accusation is that the Tories shuffled in gender woo to frame the left as a bunch of nutters so that they could burn the earth to the ground, we should be able to see an abundance of push back from the left.

Genuine question: why isn't there a party on the left or centre which believes women have the right to exist?

Isn't it kind of terrible that there isn't one?

Then they should remove them from the guidance, shouldn’t they?

Here’s the guidance on what you are required to teach, here are some recommended links, but when the shit hits the fan we will pass the buck and blame the teachers as we always do.

That’s a bullshit excuse.

Just listened to the audio. I love those girls. All power to any students who tape Nazi teachers trying to bully and gaslight them into RightThink.

No one can even define gender in a way that isn't circular or based on stereotypes, so why on earth is it being taught as fact in schools?

Because the government says that schools have to.

And the opposition parties think the Tories are terrible transphobes who haven't done enough to protect trans people's rights.

Needless to say, they couldn't give less of a shit about the women who have been sexually assaulted in women's prisons, or the women who now regret having had elective double mastectomies, or the women who have been denied single sex rape crisis support on the Tories' watch.

You're comparing her to the Nazis?

That’s a bullshit excuse

Surely that's argument enough for teachers to want to cover their arses ? I mean you guys know you are going to be the scape goats. The get out clauses will be written into every and any paperwork these external agencies provide. If you have to teach it then its on whoever is teaching it to fact check etc. Protect yourselves

She's certainly an authoritarian.

Actually, although you are comparing apples and pears here, I don’t think calling a child’s actions “despicable” is professional. You are supposed to be the adult here, why would a child be racist or sexist? It’s through lack of guidance at home. You need to work with that child, using inflammatory language yourself is not helpful.

it is totally irrelevant though to the current point, we are talking ideologies not facts. If you want a comparison imagine an atheist and a Christian in the class. The teacher tells the entire class they have to belief in the Christian God, they must storm his existence, no discussion should be made of other religions and ideologies in case it upsets the Christian. In fact the school is now going to remove evolution from the curriculum and replace it with creationism.

The atheist points put in class they don’t believe there is a god and can’t believe the lack of rationality.

Do you a) tell the child that there are different believe systems and there should be respect shown but it’s ok to disagree,

b) hold the child back after class and tell them that they are a despicable person, unless they subscribe to the Christian ideology and agree with the Nicene creed they should leave the school there is a Christian god and to stop being so disgustingly hateful.

Teachers need guiding by common sense. They need to put pressure on their unions to remove stonewall etc from their profession. It’s been allowed to dictate far too much, there’s always been an issue with the imbalance of political ideologies in teaching/ this needs to be addressed more widely Discussions need to be balanced. Pressure needs to be put on the SLT team to ensure that everyone’s position around this issue should be considered and it be made clear that people are entitled to different beliefs. Schools should stick to facts.

They linked to several groups but also specified that schools must research the groups and their materials first to check their suitability for students.

And on this point, no they didn’t say that schools must research the recommended groups first.

And why the fuck is the onus on schools to research groups that the government specifically recommends? We’re going to recommend this stuff but it might be dodgy and if it turns out that it is, that’s on you?

What's that got to do with other political parties trying to start a culture war and using manipulative DARVO to blame someone else?

And why the fuck is the onus on schools to research groups that the government specifically recommends? We’re going to recommend this stuff but it might be dodgy and if it turns out that it is, that’s on you?

It sounds terribly precarious, what did your union say when you said that you are being made complicit with an ideology which is harming children?

Surely the unions should be getting involved to clarify the position and protect their member base from getting caught up in situations like this one.

Unfortunately the unions seem to be in the vanguard of pushing some of the most egregious bullshit.