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turbonerd · 19/06/2023 21:26

Data is not a biologist nor a dictionary. That is possibly the extent of their knowledge.

I am stuck at the insanity of the teacher, the poor CatGirl and the 72 genders.

Apparently the historical record is simply awash with references to all these genders - since the dawn of time.

I would love for just one -1- to be pointed out so I would know how to start looking for them.
But maybe Data is a non-historian too?

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 21:35

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2023 11:22

If you’re talking about me, you’re talking shit.

Do you think people can be cat gender?

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 21:40

Biology lessons in 2023.

To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?
Oysterbabe · 19/06/2023 21:42

Catgender is a xenogender in which one feels an extremely strong connection to cats or other felines, either strongly identifying with them or simply wanting to incorporate them into their gender to better understand their identity.

Oh I actually think this is me. I love cats and always stop and talk to them when I see any out and about. I feel like I can understand what they're saying to me.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 21:42

Dogman's origin story makes more sense than most of this crap.

Overthinkingperhaps · 19/06/2023 21:44

I've not read the full thread but that teacher should be utterly appalled with herself.

Utterly bonkers BS she is spouting and a bully too.
I don't give a shit if she has a mortgage. She should have thought about that before she opened her stupid mouth.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 21:46

Oh I actually think this is me. I love cats and always stop and talk to them when I see any out and about. I feel like I can understand what they're saying to me.

Awesome. Next step is to coerce everyone to use your nya/nyan pronouns. If they don't play along, scream 'bigot'.

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2023 21:46

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 21:35

Do you think people can be cat gender?

No.

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 21:48

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2023 11:47

The teacher fucked up on the definition of intersex, no doubt there. That’s a factual error.

They did not, however, say that you can change sex. They were very clear, in fact, that sex and gender are not the same thing.

Doesn’t the GRC mean you can change sex legally?

Do you think there should be a certificate to allow a 13 be legally a cat?

Overthinkingperhaps · 19/06/2023 21:50

And the part where the girl says " my mum would be proud of me"

And the adult responds " well I think that's very sad too" or something like that.
What a twat.

I would be proud. The girls were rational, not disrespectful and held their ground.
Unlike their adult teacher.

I'd love to hear the teacher have the same conversation with the parents.
Adults who she cannot verbally push around.

noblegiraffe · 19/06/2023 21:53

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 21:48

Doesn’t the GRC mean you can change sex legally?

Do you think there should be a certificate to allow a 13 be legally a cat?

No, why the fuck are you asking me these daft questions?

Bromptotoo · 19/06/2023 22:00

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 21:48

Doesn’t the GRC mean you can change sex legally?

Do you think there should be a certificate to allow a 13 be legally a cat?

Are you British and/or a UK resident?

AnyaMarx · 19/06/2023 22:13

I found it

And I lost sympathy with the teacher .

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 19/06/2023 22:14

It's not just catgender.

"The Telegraph has discovered that a pupil at a secondary school in the South West is insisting on being addressed as a dinosaur. At another secondary school in England, a pupil insists on identifying as a horse. Another wears a cape and wants to be acknowledged as a moon."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/19/school-children-identifying-as-animals-furries/

‘They meow rather than answer a question’: The school children now identifying as animals

An extraordinary report from a Sussex school has shed light on the growing trend of pupils insisting on being addressed as animals

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/19/school-children-identifying-as-animals-furries

OMG12 · 19/06/2023 22:25

Perfect28 · 19/06/2023 17:29

Wow people cannot argue here. I did not compare nazi views to GC views, I did clarify that as a teacher I am well within my rights to call a view despicable. A previous poster suggested it was unprofessional of a teacher to ever do so.

You are incorrect here and if you ever taught my son and insisted on inflicting your factually flawed ideology on him I wouldn’t rest until you rightly had to leave the profession. People who think using a position of being in a position of authority with children is a soap box to enforce your views on minors really should not be allowed to hold that position

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 22:28

From that article:

Schools have established protocols when it comes to transgender pupils, but the issue of “furries” is more complex.

Is it simply a spillover from early childhood imaginative play, or the growing phenomenon of cosplay – in which participants dress up as superheroes, aliens, animals or whatever else they choose – being brought into the classroom, where children should be politely told to leave their fantasies at the gates?

Is it a mental health issue, used as a coping mechanism by children who have autism or other difficulties, and who should be treated sympathetically in the same way as other pupils with special needs?

Or does it conceal something much darker going on in the child’s life?
Tracy Shaw, of the grassroots Safe Schools Alliance, said children coming to school and insisting on being addressed as an animal should sound loud alarm bells, and teachers already have all the tools they need to deal with the issue, if they would stop conflating it with gender diversity.

“Teachers should be dealing with this under existing safeguarding frameworks,” she says. “If a child is coming to school identifying as a cat or a horse, that should immediately raise red flags.

“The teacher should be asking themselves, what are these children looking at online? What forums are they on? What is going on in the home? What is happening in that child’s life and who else is involved?

“The problem is that teachers have a blind spot where anything involving identity comes in, because they are frightened of doing the wrong thing. They think they are being kind by affirming these behaviours, but they are not being kind, because they are likely to be missing all sorts of things that are going on in that child’s life.”

The teachers are also letting down other pupils whose education is being disrupted by the affirming of children with abnormal behaviour.

One pupil at a state secondary school in Wales told The Telegraph of a fellow pupil who “feels very discriminated against if you do not refer to them as ‘catself’”. She added: “When they answer questions, they meow rather than answer a question in English. And the teachers are not allowed to get annoyed about this because it’s seen as discriminating.”

The student in question is in Year 11, but began using the pronoun “catself” in Year 9 “when the whole thing with neo pronouns started”, the pupil said.

She described how lessons could be completely derailed if a teacher attempted to get the child to reply to a question in English rather than meowing.

“It’s affecting other people and their education and everybody in their lessons. It’s distracting to sit in a lesson and have someone meow to a teacher rather than answer in English, especially at secondary school age.

“That’s going to take a lot out of a lesson because people are going to spend the entire lesson talking about whoever it is over there meowing to the teacher.

The pupil blamed social media, saying students were being influenced by accounts run by people who identify as trees and animals. It started “around Covid”, she says.

“When it first started, it didn’t really go out into real life that much. It stayed confined to social media, but then as it got more popular and more people were finding out about it, people then started bringing it into real life situations.”

The Telegraph also spoke to a pupil at a school where one student, who identifies as “moonself”, wears a cloak to school, described by a fellow pupil as “like a Harry Potter wizard cape”.
The child in question did not identify as the Moon, but as a moon, and said they could put curses on people.
But while other pupils would be pulled up for wearing non-uniform items, such as facial piercings or dyed hair, children who identified as cats or moons would be allowed to wear cat ears or cloaks to express their “true self”, breeding resentment among other pupils.
Teachers are not helped by the fact that respected organisations to which they might turn for guidance can themselves be caught up in the confusion between cosplay and self-identity

Before concluding:
The Department for Education said the issue of children identifying as animals will not be addressed in the guidance, with a spokesman saying that the department trusted teachers to apply “common sense” in each individual case.
Unfortunately, as parents up and down the country are finding, the problem with common sense is that it is not so common

What the actual fuck have I just read?

To go back to what the teacher accused the girls recording of and to reflect on it: The lunatics have taken over asylum.

Department for Education

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/department-for-education/

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2023 22:36

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 22:28

From that article:

Schools have established protocols when it comes to transgender pupils, but the issue of “furries” is more complex.

Is it simply a spillover from early childhood imaginative play, or the growing phenomenon of cosplay – in which participants dress up as superheroes, aliens, animals or whatever else they choose – being brought into the classroom, where children should be politely told to leave their fantasies at the gates?

Is it a mental health issue, used as a coping mechanism by children who have autism or other difficulties, and who should be treated sympathetically in the same way as other pupils with special needs?

Or does it conceal something much darker going on in the child’s life?
Tracy Shaw, of the grassroots Safe Schools Alliance, said children coming to school and insisting on being addressed as an animal should sound loud alarm bells, and teachers already have all the tools they need to deal with the issue, if they would stop conflating it with gender diversity.

“Teachers should be dealing with this under existing safeguarding frameworks,” she says. “If a child is coming to school identifying as a cat or a horse, that should immediately raise red flags.

“The teacher should be asking themselves, what are these children looking at online? What forums are they on? What is going on in the home? What is happening in that child’s life and who else is involved?

“The problem is that teachers have a blind spot where anything involving identity comes in, because they are frightened of doing the wrong thing. They think they are being kind by affirming these behaviours, but they are not being kind, because they are likely to be missing all sorts of things that are going on in that child’s life.”

The teachers are also letting down other pupils whose education is being disrupted by the affirming of children with abnormal behaviour.

One pupil at a state secondary school in Wales told The Telegraph of a fellow pupil who “feels very discriminated against if you do not refer to them as ‘catself’”. She added: “When they answer questions, they meow rather than answer a question in English. And the teachers are not allowed to get annoyed about this because it’s seen as discriminating.”

The student in question is in Year 11, but began using the pronoun “catself” in Year 9 “when the whole thing with neo pronouns started”, the pupil said.

She described how lessons could be completely derailed if a teacher attempted to get the child to reply to a question in English rather than meowing.

“It’s affecting other people and their education and everybody in their lessons. It’s distracting to sit in a lesson and have someone meow to a teacher rather than answer in English, especially at secondary school age.

“That’s going to take a lot out of a lesson because people are going to spend the entire lesson talking about whoever it is over there meowing to the teacher.

The pupil blamed social media, saying students were being influenced by accounts run by people who identify as trees and animals. It started “around Covid”, she says.

“When it first started, it didn’t really go out into real life that much. It stayed confined to social media, but then as it got more popular and more people were finding out about it, people then started bringing it into real life situations.”

The Telegraph also spoke to a pupil at a school where one student, who identifies as “moonself”, wears a cloak to school, described by a fellow pupil as “like a Harry Potter wizard cape”.
The child in question did not identify as the Moon, but as a moon, and said they could put curses on people.
But while other pupils would be pulled up for wearing non-uniform items, such as facial piercings or dyed hair, children who identified as cats or moons would be allowed to wear cat ears or cloaks to express their “true self”, breeding resentment among other pupils.
Teachers are not helped by the fact that respected organisations to which they might turn for guidance can themselves be caught up in the confusion between cosplay and self-identity

Before concluding:
The Department for Education said the issue of children identifying as animals will not be addressed in the guidance, with a spokesman saying that the department trusted teachers to apply “common sense” in each individual case.
Unfortunately, as parents up and down the country are finding, the problem with common sense is that it is not so common

What the actual fuck have I just read?

To go back to what the teacher accused the girls recording of and to reflect on it: The lunatics have taken over asylum.

The comments are a mix of hysterically funny (piss taking) and incandescent that this is happening in any school.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 22:37

I haven't actually looked at the comments!

OMG12 · 19/06/2023 22:38

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 21:40

Biology lessons in 2023.

Can I identify as my dog, sleep 16 hours a day - be waited on hand and foot, have loads of toys - I’d have to be dog gender fluid though, I’m not pooing in the park so need to be human if I need the loo

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 22:41

OMG12 · 19/06/2023 22:38

Can I identify as my dog, sleep 16 hours a day - be waited on hand and foot, have loads of toys - I’d have to be dog gender fluid though, I’m not pooing in the park so need to be human if I need the loo

Cats don't pay mortgages. They wander into other people's homes and beg to be fed. Often achieving this goal and being allowed to stay.

Imagine you have to affirm someone's cat identity and kicking them off your sofa or out of your fridge is catphobic.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 22:49

Have to say I thought I'd do a search on twitter about this. I searched 'meow'.

What surprised me was the amount of anime and K-pop that came up as the top results.

Its revealing to me. It's very much more cosplay.

We need to start addressing this in itself. It's definitely a thing that's way off radars of politicians.

ArabeIIaScott · 19/06/2023 22:53

Some amazing questions on that Reddit:

'So my girlfriend is autistic and like many of them she has a difficult time understanding gender identity. She's named Abbey, and she always say she's just "abbey" or "the idea of abbey/herself" when we talk about genders. Im a trans girl and I know a bit about xenogenders and I think...is this considered a Xenogender? is there already a Xenogender for people that identifies as just themselves? (Btw she's OK with she or he pronouns)'

'Can you be both agender and have xenogenders?'

'Do y'all have any pronouns related to trees or wind?'

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 23:00

ArabeIIaScott · 19/06/2023 22:53

Some amazing questions on that Reddit:

'So my girlfriend is autistic and like many of them she has a difficult time understanding gender identity. She's named Abbey, and she always say she's just "abbey" or "the idea of abbey/herself" when we talk about genders. Im a trans girl and I know a bit about xenogenders and I think...is this considered a Xenogender? is there already a Xenogender for people that identifies as just themselves? (Btw she's OK with she or he pronouns)'

'Can you be both agender and have xenogenders?'

'Do y'all have any pronouns related to trees or wind?'

"Well I just self identify as a fuckwit to avoid causing confusion to others"

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 23:05

Perfect28 · 19/06/2023 14:07

@Cailin66 given that you can be intersex, yes training is needed.

Intersex is not a sex, you are either male or female with an intersex issue.

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