To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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The teacher was technically correct to say there are more than 2 genders IF you mean gender as in categories of identities loosely related to sex that people have created e.g agender, non binary, catgender, etc. The kids were correct to say there are only 2 genders if they are using gender as a synonym for sex.

But the teacher should have been able to identify this misunderstanding and explain herself without telling children they were despicable etc.

No, you don't sugarcoat untruths

The girls don't believe in gender identity they believe in sex so for them there are no genders!

And if you, in your position as teacher, call perfectly acceptable (as has been accepted legally) views despicable, then you should expect to be challenged on that. If you have so little respect for your students that you think it is acceptable to bully and threaten them if they dare to disagree with your opinions, it would probably be best if you find a job working with adults who will be able to stand up to your bullying.

And by telling a child their views are despicable you have shut down any forms of communication. What an opportunity for a teaching moment lost. You may think someone’s views are abhorrent amd you are entitled to think that. But I can assure you that your attitude won’t ever cause change for the better with those children.

it seems the school have subsequently responded in roughly this manner, agreeing that the pupils should have been encouraged to discuss issues respectfully rather than being censured. To paraphrase.

Ah, I should have guessed it followed on from the Cass review. Thanks for finding that. Hope it does get followed through on in practice.

What is despicable to you - gender critical views?

So do you include someone who states you can’t change sex and there are only two sexes?

As a teacher you are not ‘well with your rights’ to call a protected belief (like GC beliefs) ‘despicable’ nor create a hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for those with those beliefs (or any other protected beliefs). Doing so constitutes harassment under the Equality Act 2010.

Just to be clear, unlike you when you are acting as a teacher (ie when you are in school), your pupils are not covered by the Equality Act.

*your pupils do not have to follow the Equality Act, they are covered by it in the sense that they are protected by it.

Yes. Something that unites many cultures and religions worldwide is restrictive gender roles that oppress women and homosexuals.

Under these conditions other categories might emerge in order to allow certain things to happen (like have a female head of the family if the males have died) without upsetting the status quo of restrictive gender roles.

Demanding Western culture accept the importance of all these gender categories necessarily rolls back on any gains made with female and gay equality. It is the precise opposite of progressive.

And nobody has yet explained why the existence of so many gender IDs means males have to trample on female boundaries. Presuming the category of "woman" to be a receptacle for everybody's angst is a pretty stereotypically male trait!!

In this case, manners (in the form of politely pretending that men can be women) have literally cost women their single sex spaces and sports, as well as the vocabulary to discuss themselves as a sex class.

Have you answered the question about what a gender is yet, by the way?

I find it utterly terrifying that people like you are teaching children.

It's hard to know if the teacher believes in it or is towing the line.

However the teacher could have easily parked the issue and moved on to something else, it's actually as bit sad that an adult teacher tries to outsmart a 13 year old.

Surely there are bigger challenges for teachers when it comes to classroom control?

The straw they are clutching at is that being male and effeminate has been considered unacceptable in many cultures through the ages, and so in societies where male and female roles were particularly strict, there were often communities of (often gay) men who dressed in clothes that were generally considered more feminine than masculine.

In addition, when women had few rights and as few opportunities, a few women would dress in men’s clothes and pretend to be men in order to do things that women couldn’t.

These fairly well documented facts are somehow proof that there were always “trans people” and presumably between them, they represent all 72 genders.

The teacher's behaviour was appalling in not allowing any debate or other opinions, and calling one pupil and her mother "despicable" for daring to disagree. This must have been what it was like to grow up in Communist Russia during the 1970s.
It restores my faith in human nature to see how grounded the children were.

True PriOn1.

I've just seen this on Twitter:

Catgender is a xenogender in which one feels an extremely strong connection to cats or other felines, either strongly identifying with them or simply wanting to incorporate them into their gender to better understand their identity. No one believes they are a cat.

https://twitter.com/jschoey/status/1670738708595716098?t=BTEHGNQjGngiSC5Qniv14A&s=19

So... what the hell is a gender, again? This has got nothing to do with biological sex now right?

When she suggests they go to another school .... Kids who've presumably been at that school, settled for years; essentially threatening then with expulsion for disagreeing with her about self identification.

And where on earth is she getting homophobic from - does she even understand the issues she's preaching. The girls referred to nothing to do with sexual orientation afaics.

What a fkg c*nt. She really showed her true colours with that threat.

For those arguing that gender is not sex and the teacher was clear about this (she lacked clarity on everything for me, but..) then WHY do pronouns ever come into jt? We just accept that pronouns denote sex and that's the end of it.

"It's hard to know if the teacher believes in it or is towing the line."

Is there guidance that says to tell a pupil that if they don't think a certain way that they have to leave the school?

The teacher was completly wrong. To abuse a child for just having a different opinion is unacceptable. They should be sacked. Thank goodness the girl had the forsight to record it for her own protection.

There was (is?) in communist countries, in fascist states. Don't think it's ever been a feature of UK education (until recently as we're seeing).

I’m still waiting on @DataNotLore’s definition of what a gender is.

I'm not a dictionary.

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