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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2023 17:17

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:15

@SunnyEgg

I was pointing out that being mainstream, is not a validation.

No, not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned, it's not always so straightforward at an individual level and I'm not a biologist anyway.

Yet every single person on this planet has been birthed by a woman. Funny how a simple fact like that can be hand waved away.

Any chance of that definition of what gender is ? Many thanks.

Cymbal · 19/06/2023 17:17

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:15

@SunnyEgg

I was pointing out that being mainstream, is not a validation.

No, not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned, it's not always so straightforward at an individual level and I'm not a biologist anyway.

Its extremely straightforward.

There are two human sexes. Every person on this planet is either female or male.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:17

What gender matches which sex? How do I know what gender I have?

I know right?

So if I'm Existigender, Esspigender, Astral gender or Anxiegender - for example - what sex are these supposed to line up with? It's not clear to me.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:18

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:15

@SunnyEgg

I was pointing out that being mainstream, is not a validation.

No, not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned, it's not always so straightforward at an individual level and I'm not a biologist anyway.

No shit.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/06/2023 17:19

Someone upthread claimed there have always been more than 2 genders.

What does this mean?

A woman wearing men's clothes is not a different gender.

Certain religions might have had a concept of a third gender, but all kinds of strange things come out of religion.

The whole idea of 'gender' is beyond surreal these days.

nothingcomestonothing · 19/06/2023 17:19

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:17

What gender matches which sex? How do I know what gender I have?

I know right?

So if I'm Existigender, Esspigender, Astral gender or Anxiegender - for example - what sex are these supposed to line up with? It's not clear to me.

I think you're missing the main point, which is which flag and pronouns apply to you?

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:20

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:15

@SunnyEgg

I was pointing out that being mainstream, is not a validation.

No, not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned, it's not always so straightforward at an individual level and I'm not a biologist anyway.

And neither is saying you are a progressive who knows better than the 'old fuddie duddies' who are into old science rather than this new fangled science I keep hearing about but never actually seeing.

The same fuddie duddies who aren't that bad at history and anthropology too.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:21

NotTerfNorCis · 19/06/2023 17:19

Someone upthread claimed there have always been more than 2 genders.

What does this mean?

A woman wearing men's clothes is not a different gender.

Certain religions might have had a concept of a third gender, but all kinds of strange things come out of religion.

The whole idea of 'gender' is beyond surreal these days.

That was the same person going on about how being gender criticial is like being a Nazi.

New History is a bit like New Science.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:21

I think you're missing the main point, which is which flag and pronouns apply to you?

So many questions 🤯

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:22

NotTerfNorCis · 19/06/2023 17:19

Someone upthread claimed there have always been more than 2 genders.

What does this mean?

A woman wearing men's clothes is not a different gender.

Certain religions might have had a concept of a third gender, but all kinds of strange things come out of religion.

The whole idea of 'gender' is beyond surreal these days.

Many cultures and religions have this.

Dismiss them all as "weird" if you want but they exist or have existed.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:22

Have there always been 72 genders then?

How did I miss this? I took a lot of history modules in university.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:23

nothingcomestonothing · 19/06/2023 17:19

I think you're missing the main point, which is which flag and pronouns apply to you?

Errr Bollocks to Pronouns and I'm not really that into flag waving and ideology. Its got form.

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:23

Many cultures and religions have this.

Have what? Can you be specific about what cultures and what they have?

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:25

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:22

Have there always been 72 genders then?

How did I miss this? I took a lot of history modules in university.

I distinctly remember doing history at university and a module on women studies in media and I did some politics modules. Not once did we discuss 72 genders which now seems something of a massive oversight.

FourTeaFallOut · 19/06/2023 17:25

Makes you wonder how we managed since the dawn of time until the last ten years without eleventy billion pronouns?

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:26

TheKeatingFive · 19/06/2023 17:23

Many cultures and religions have this.

Have what? Can you be specific about what cultures and what they have?

Which one applies to the uk?

If its universal throughout humanity, then this should be the question you should ask rather than why is it related only to particular cultures and social classes within those cultures...

NotTerfNorCis · 19/06/2023 17:26

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:22

Many cultures and religions have this.

Dismiss them all as "weird" if you want but they exist or have existed.

It's usually a way of creating a priest caste, or creating a special social role for gay men though isn't it?

It's not like gender ideology where we're all what we believe we are, and there are about 100 genders.

Perfect28 · 19/06/2023 17:29

Wow people cannot argue here. I did not compare nazi views to GC views, I did clarify that as a teacher I am well within my rights to call a view despicable. A previous poster suggested it was unprofessional of a teacher to ever do so.

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 19/06/2023 17:29

Are you talking about eunuchs @DataNotLore ? Because ironically, essentially that’s what we’re creating all over again with sterilising children etc .

ArabeIIaScott · 19/06/2023 17:32

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 19/06/2023 17:29

Are you talking about eunuchs @DataNotLore ? Because ironically, essentially that’s what we’re creating all over again with sterilising children etc .

And of course WPATH, the soi-disant international experts on 'gender', posit that 'Eunuch' is a valid gender identity and children can choose to identify as such.

NHS doctors hold key positions in WPATH.

JuvenileEmu · 19/06/2023 17:32

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 16:56

Yes, I do have an agenda.

It's called treating people with respect.

The teacher is in a position of authority. She abused that authority. It is absolutely fair that this was recorded, as otherwise the students would almost certainly have been disbelieved and accused of lying. It a police officer was caught abusing their powers would you defend them?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/06/2023 17:33

Perfect28 · 19/06/2023 17:29

Wow people cannot argue here. I did not compare nazi views to GC views, I did clarify that as a teacher I am well within my rights to call a view despicable. A previous poster suggested it was unprofessional of a teacher to ever do so.

That's what the recorded teacher thought too Perfect - that she was OK to sneer at her students and called their views despicable. An interesting approach to working with young people (speaking as a teacher who has worked with openly racist pupils, children who support Al qaeda, children who are sex offenders, muggers etc).

Cymbal · 19/06/2023 17:34

Perfect28 · 19/06/2023 17:29

Wow people cannot argue here. I did not compare nazi views to GC views, I did clarify that as a teacher I am well within my rights to call a view despicable. A previous poster suggested it was unprofessional of a teacher to ever do so.

I don't believe you.

Regardless, gender critical beliefs are protected in law, lime religion. Its not in your gift as a teacher to tell children that their deeply-held views are despicable.

Pretending that a girl can be a cat is despicable. As is pretending there are three sexes.

Cymbal · 19/06/2023 17:34

*like

Lifescary · 19/06/2023 17:35

Perfect28 · 19/06/2023 17:29

Wow people cannot argue here. I did not compare nazi views to GC views, I did clarify that as a teacher I am well within my rights to call a view despicable. A previous poster suggested it was unprofessional of a teacher to ever do so.

You are within your rights to call a view despicable, but you better be fairly confident that most people will agree with you or all hell might break out and that could have serious consequences for you.
I am fairly confident that a teacher can call Nazism despicable without causing a furore but were she to say that feminism was despicable....

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