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BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 19/06/2023 16:53

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No it would still be wrong. What you can do is logically talk them through, explain why what they are saying is wrong, point out the faults in the ideology.

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 16:54

@MargotBamborough

Manners cost nowt, a rather old fashioned idea I know.

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 19/06/2023 16:55

So much speculation @DataNotLore . One could almost think you have an agenda here.

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 16:56

HoofWankingSpangleCunt · 19/06/2023 16:55

So much speculation @DataNotLore . One could almost think you have an agenda here.

Yes, I do have an agenda.

It's called treating people with respect.

Dadalus · 19/06/2023 16:56

How many sexes do you think there are @DataNotLore ? Do you agree with this teacher that there are definitely 3? Or do you agree with every biology text book ever written that there are 2?

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 19/06/2023 16:57

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 16:56

Yes, I do have an agenda.

It's called treating people with respect.

Shame that doesn't extend to 2 13 year old girls, where the respect towards them?

LegendsBeyond · 19/06/2023 17:00

No, she deserves everything she gets. It’s terrifying that this is being taught in schools.

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 17:03

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 09:15

They were bullying another child.

She pulled them up on it.

She did not deny biological sex.

Insisting that there are only two genders is unacceptable. It's not just an opinion, it's prejudice.

This is the paradox of intolerance re Popper (Google it).

You don’t know they were bullying. The teacher bullied them, and threatened them, she disrespected their parents and she lied to them by telling them there are three sexes. She also de ied them the right to their own opinions.

Cymbal · 19/06/2023 17:04

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Gender critical views are mainstream, and deemed worthy of respect in a democratic society, in a court of law.

These views are nothing like nazism, as you well know.

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:04

Dadalus · 19/06/2023 16:56

How many sexes do you think there are @DataNotLore ? Do you agree with this teacher that there are definitely 3? Or do you agree with every biology text book ever written that there are 2?

Yeah, she was probably wrong on the three sexes.

I have seen stuff to suggest that it may not be that straightforward for everyone though.

I'm not a biologist.

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:05

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SunnyEgg · 19/06/2023 17:07

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Do you think nazism is comparable to being gender critical?

So saying you can’t change sex and there are only two sexes is an issue for you?

blackbird77 · 19/06/2023 17:08

DepartureLounge · 19/06/2023 15:59

Socially affirming children is not a passive or neutral act. Doctors and nurses have recently been advised they cannot do this either.

Good for you and thank you for holding the line.

Would you be able to reference what you've said about HCPs? Advised by whom?

@DepartureLounge - No problem - I think this was the article I read (or something similar): News Article

Perhaps not official guidelines as yet but it says the NHS is heavily considering the risks of social transitioning and that Doctors and Nurses are being advised not to encourage this as default . Step in the right direction!

NHS to discourage social transitioning of gender questioning children

Gender curious children changing names, pronouns and dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex could be discouraged under NHS plans to consider the mental risks of social transitioning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11341001/NHS-discourage-social-transitioning-gender-questioning-children.html

FourTeaFallOut · 19/06/2023 17:08

Oh please, Nazis 🙄 Jesus, I'm embarrassed for you.

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 17:09

spirit20 · 19/06/2023 09:45

Students had no right to film her, and the teacher would have a very good case for taking legal proceedings, against either them or the school.

Legal proceedings against 13 year olds?

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 19/06/2023 17:09

What gender matches which sex? How do I know what gender I have?

Seriously, explain what gender is, because as far as I can see it's personality and thoughts in your head.

Cymbal · 19/06/2023 17:13

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Are you equating nazism and gender critical views? Really?

nothingcomestonothing · 19/06/2023 17:13

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:04

Yeah, she was probably wrong on the three sexes.

I have seen stuff to suggest that it may not be that straightforward for everyone though.

I'm not a biologist.

She wasn't 'probably' wrong she was absolutely 100% wrong.

And to quote a more quick witted woman than me, 'I'm not a vet, but I know what a dog is'.

ArabeIIaScott · 19/06/2023 17:13

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 16:53

And at no point, did that teacher claim that people can change sex.

She probably just wanted those girls to stop abusing the other girl, who has no voice in any of this.

There is no evidence at all that the girls 'abused' anyone.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:13

Cailin66 · 19/06/2023 17:09

Legal proceedings against 13 year olds?

Let them crack on!

They will soon find there is a legal defense of whistleblowing in the public interest which I'm fairly sure in this case would do the trick to blow the case out the water.

Teacher would end up with a nice bill for legal fees and a career dead in the water.

"Oh you took a 13 year old to court for saying sex is real"...

Ameanstreakamilewide · 19/06/2023 17:14

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 19/06/2023 17:09

What gender matches which sex? How do I know what gender I have?

Seriously, explain what gender is, because as far as I can see it's personality and thoughts in your head.

'Gender' is because people were simply too squeamish to say 'sex'.

ArabeIIaScott · 19/06/2023 17:14

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 19/06/2023 17:09

What gender matches which sex? How do I know what gender I have?

Seriously, explain what gender is, because as far as I can see it's personality and thoughts in your head.

Still waiting on anyone explaining what 'gender' is.

RedToothBrush · 19/06/2023 17:15

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It was also labelled as 'progressive' at the time by many.

The history of eugenics is particularly dark on that score.

There's a lot of TRAs who openly describe THEMSELVES as progressive without giving pause for thought on that one.

DataNotLore · 19/06/2023 17:15

@SunnyEgg

I was pointing out that being mainstream, is not a validation.

No, not an issue for me at all. As I mentioned, it's not always so straightforward at an individual level and I'm not a biologist anyway.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 19/06/2023 17:15

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As a wise woman once said:

'Child, you're going to hurt yourself with all that mindless contortion you're doing'.

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