To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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All you're doing is demonstrating how much rubbish it all is.

Saying someone can identify as a different gender to their birth sex is like saying someone can identify as a different star sign to their favourite colour.

Sex and gender are two different things, and one of them is real and the other is imaginary. Why this presumption that the norm is for everyone to have a gender that matches their sex? Wouldn't it make more sense to say, "Hey trans people! Great news! Nobody else has an identity which matches their genitalia either! You're not different. You're not special. You're just an individual, like everyone else. But you also have to live in society, like everyone else, so we can't just exempt you from the rules which apply to everyone else."

The girls were absolutely correct when they said if you have a willy you're a boy and if you have a vagina you're a girl.

If you think what makes someone a boy or a girl is about gender rather than sex then perhaps you could explain to us all what the fuckity fuck you understand gender to actually be.

Gender reassignment may be a protected characteristic, but it is still nonsense, and even though it is nonsense, it only covers men who want to be women and women who want to be men, not people who want to be cats.

If we agree that a pupil who identifies as a cat is likely mentally unwell and therefore vulnerable, then isn’t that even more reason for a teacher to tell off a pupil who upsets them by calling them crazy?

I am astonished that there seem to be some on here who think that the teacher should not have intervened in an unpleasant interaction involving name-calling because they too think the pupil is crazy.

You're a science teacher 😳.

No. I don't feel sorry for her at all.

She talked a load of BS and should be called out on it.

They deny saying this. The teacher has simply decided that is what they were implying. A bit like how TRAs leap to the conclusion you think trans people should be genocided if you don't agree with pronouns.

That was in reference to the asylum comments.

Gender reassignment may be a protected characteristic, but it is still nonsense, and even though it is nonsense, it only covers men who want to be women and women who want to be men, not people who want to be cats

I never said it protected people who want to be cats. The girls were talking about willies and vaginas, not cats.

You might think it is nonsense but that doesn’t stop it being a protected characteristic and teachers have to be mindful of that.

Yes it was the teacher who concluded mentally unwell meant asylum

They deny saying this.

Crazy is definitely on the recording.

I don't think people are saying the teacher shouldn't have intervened. You're trying to reframe the issue here to stick up for the behaviour of any teacher. It's the way she dealt with it that's the issue.

As any fule kno

Agreed.

This thread is horrifying

Look at this through safeguarding eyes. The NSPCC's definitions of emotional abuse :
Manipulation
Coercing or persuading a child to take part in activities that:

• they aren’t comfortable with
• aren’t appropriate for their age or stage of development
• are unsafe.

Gaslighting is also a form of manipulation. This is where perpetrators make someone doubt their own perception, judgment and/or memory.

The bold is mine and I've just picked out one section that seems to fit what was done to these girls. We need to remember that this nonsense is being taught to the youngest of children - that they might be born in the wrong body, that people can magically change sex and that they MUST affirm a child in the grip of the delusion they're the opposite sex or they'r transphobic / bad people.

This is all a safeguarding fail - we've failed to protect children from adult beliefs gender identity - in fact we've encouraged these people into schools!

Absolutely agree.
Its very confusing for kids being taught two different things.
We were taught evolution in biology and then in RE that god created us through Adam and Eve!

It can’t be both!
Is it science or ideological beliefs.

I was referring to the asylum bit only. Crazy might not be ideal language but I bet they were pretty exasperated at that point.

If this thread is horrifying I feel like some people have not met teenagers. And if they have don't know how to deal with them professionally.

You're fixating on details that most of the rest of us see are not the real issue here. The teacher could have asked the girl to not call anyone crazy and all that Be Kind nonsense. What she actually said was that " it is not an opinion " and " Where did you get this idea from that there are only two genders " Do i really need to explain to a science teacher where the girl may have got that idea from ?? and why that is the concerning issue here, not the girl being unkind or rude.

The teacher could have taken a moment to talk about appropriate language when discussing mental health issues

Not this

Not you said asylum (they didn’t), three sexes, homophobia, get out and go for training

She was wrong in many ways

I’m glad they got proof, they would not be believed without it.

And actually, although I hate that anyone can film anyone else on a whim, I kind of wish we had the tech to do so when I was at school. There were so many incidents of teachers being truly awful, from the maths teacher who spent more time playing his guitar and flirting with us (this was in year 10) than teaching to the teacher who pushed a boy down the steps! This was only in 2003 too, and of course, we weren't believed when we complained. Sometimes, gathering evidence is the only way.

So it's OK to persecute people as long as they have the views you don't like? Well that confirms what we already know about the 'phobes. They don't give a toss about free speech, or human rights. They just want to stop things. No wonder the RW love them.

For now.

Did they call a specific pupil names or say they were crazy or just say it was crazy to identify as a cat? Which it is.

if they called a pupil crazy then yes tell them off for that. But the rest of it the teacher was massively out of line.

she should be dismissed but probably won’t, that seems to be reserved for teachers expressing GC views.

Replace “phobes” with “TRAs” and you’re about right.

I don't think people are saying the teacher shouldn't have intervened.

So we agree that the teacher was correct to tell pupils not to upset other pupils by calling them crazy, regardless of whether they think that they are a cat?

And that the girls shouldn’t be calling other pupils “crazy” or “weird”?

Because those on this thread calling the girls heroes don’t seem to think the girls did anything wrong.

There are hundreds of posts replying to a badly written opening post by 'a teacher', with no further engagement from the OP.

Just saying.

But they are entirely correct about willies and vaginas and they should not be shamed or punished for saying so.

The teacher could quite easily have said, "The law allows transgender people to obtain a gender recognition certificate which means that for legal purposes they are treated as having changed sex."

That would cover the current legal position without treating a couple of teenage girls like despicable heretics for not believing.

For the avoidance of doubt I was not criticising the girls but praising them. I admire what they have done and admire them for controlling the narrative.

I used the phrase controlling the narrative in reply to them being described as threatened and bullied which I thought demeaned them. It made them seem a bit feeble which they are not.