To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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Do you think the right intervention is to lie about 3 sexes being real, say the girls are homophobic and need to be re-educated or not be at that school?

Would it be ok to upset a pupil that doesn't believe in gender?

When I complained about all the PSHE materials my DC were given referring to "person with a penis" "person with a vagina" I asked the school how this worked given that they referred to "girls' netball" and "boys' rounders" elsewhere on newsletters, and that the toilets said "girls" and "boys" on them. Why were my DC being told that it was kind and respectful to use phrases referring to their genitalia in one set of lessons but not everywhere else? Which is it? (I also pointed out the absolute bonfire they were making of safeguarding by expecting my daughter to refer to her vagina in conversations with an adult)

The school replied to say they were just raising awareness and acceptance of young people "whose gender identity did not match...yada yada" and I had to go back and point out that every single time they said that they should say "some people believe.." because neither I nor my DC have a gender identity.

I never got to the bottom of what was going on. I never got clarity or confirmation of the way forward.

"Would it be ok to upset a pupil that doesn't believe in gender?"

And if so, why? Why does a cat identifier or gender identifier get to be protected but not the child who does not believe in this cult of gender?

One rule for that lot, and another for the rest of sane society.

If people cannot identify as a different gender to their sex, then how can there be a legally protected characteristic of gender reassignment? That’s pretty much the starting point, isn’t it?

The reason we have gender reassignment in law and as a PC was as a way to fudge same sex marriage before that became legal. One person had to ‘legally’ be recognized as having changed gender to be allowed to wed. The concept of ‘identifying’ as anything (cat, gender etc) is a much more recent thing.

I wouldn't want someone this stupid teaching my children. Well done to the pupils who recorded the silly cow.

If you have a kid going around saying they are a cat, why isn't it being addressed? Why do the kids all have to 'play nice' about the kid saying they are a cat and respect the fact that child says they are a cat? If a kid is in class saying they are a cat to this degree, why haven't they been referred for the mental health? Bring your cat identity to school suggests theres a major problem that needs urgent help. You don't facilitate the cat identity and encourage it. You tell catkid to belt up and do their work.

The teacher was vile. She could've engaged them in a great discussion about it, but instead she ranted at them like a hypocritical moron, lying about "3 sexes", accusing them of homophobia, and shoving the indoctrination training she's been given down their throats. I mean, the very definition of fascism is to not be allowed to disagree, which is what that teacher was doing, what the trans activists always do. It's sickening, and would never have been brought to anyone's attention had the girls not decided to record and release the incident. We need to fight back against these people, and it starts by exposing them for their hypocrisy and cultist fascist demands that no one disagrees with them OR ELSE. It's horrifying what our children are being groomed for.

That's awful (but predictable) QuickWash. Well done for challenging them. Hopefully this will get more schools to think about their erasure of sex based language.

First of all, cat is not a gender

I don’t believe anyone said it was.

The girls said if you have a willy you’re a boy and a vagina you’re a girl and that’s it. The teacher told them gender and sex were different.

Second of all, the whole concept of gender reassignment in law is nonsense.

Do you think that teachers should not bear the legal situation in mind when teaching?

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, which at its core implies the existence of people who do not identify with their birth sex, because otherwise why would they be considering gender reassignment?

You might, personally, think it’s a pile of shite, but it is also, therefore, incorrect to say that people cannot identify as a different gender to their birth sex.

Who knows the context of the cat conversation. It’s unlikely someone in the class identifies as a cat beyond exposing how ludicrous the current set up is.

Even if there is a child in the room who identifies as a cat, it would be reasonable for these girls to challenge a teacher who was telling them they must accept that the child is a cat. The teacher trying to force them to accept something entirely false is 100% at fault in that situation.

Pointing out the truth when being coerced into accepting falsehoods is not bullying.

And the poster who can’t understand that there is a difference between accepting that your child wants to play at being a dinosaur and accepting that your child actually is a dinosaur is just expressing something so bizarre I can’t get my head around it.

A return to reality is needed. Children can imagine whatever they like, but when teachers can no longer point out the difference between imagination, confusion and reality, then there is a huge problem.

If a child really believes they are a cat, then they are not mentally healthy enough to be in a classroom. If telling them they are not a cat causes so much distress that the teacher doesn’t feel able to tell them, then the child is not mentally healthy enough to be in the classroom.

Affirming to children they are something they are not is so irrational that I would question whether any teacher who does it is of sound mind. None of that should be in any way controversial.

Arguably it's abusive to other children to compel them to comply with someone else's fantasies. A form of coercive control. As George Orwell said:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

If you have a kid going around saying they are a cat, why isn't it being addressed?

How do you know it’s not?

In the meantime, the school certainly has a duty to ensure that other pupils do not bully them for it, or call them names.

Teachers have a responsibility to teach facts to their pupils not spout unscientific gender woo. The more that is done to expose the bollox that are being touted in our educational system the better.

It really is

''All teachers are not trans activists'' and yet somehow here we are, explaining to someone who has had safeguarding and teacher training why compelled speech around the gender identity 'cat' is such a problem.

What guidance do you need to know there are two sexes and not three?

If you’re talking about me, you’re talking shit.

@MrsOvertonsWindow TBF to the SLT that was copied into my emails (as a threat to me I felt) they replied to say "Mrs Quickwash raises some interesting and thought-provoking questions..."

I do hope that rather than rolling their eyes and assigning me "bigot" they allowed some of what I'd raised to permeate their brains a bit. I linked to the dfe requirements, SSA documents etc.

They've still gone all out for pride month with large banners saying "protect trans kids" and "love is love" on them - so they haven't read too widely around the GC objections I fear ..

A child who genuinely believes they're a cat is in the grip of an extreme mental illness and needs serious mental health interventions.

A child pretending to be a cat needs to be told to keep their feline activities to the playground - it has no place in classrooms / learning activities.

The interaction should not have been recorded - although I think the teacher was wrong from what I have heard, like everyone else this is snippet of the conversation. The distinction between sex and gender is artificial we should be teaching our children, the lack of discussion shows that this ideology has taken over and can't be questioned

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If a child really believes they are a cat, then they are not mentally healthy enough to be in a classroom. If telling them they are not a cat causes so much distress that the teacher doesn’t feel able to tell them, then the child is not mentally healthy enough to be in the classroom.

Affirming to children they are something they are not is so irrational that I would question whether any teacher who does it is of sound mind. None of that should be in any way controversial.

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The fact we even are discussing this, and the child who exposed it is being described in negative terms and the teacher described as untouchable because of a recruitment crisis speaks volumes about the sheer level of insanity we are at.

@QuickWash That does suggest that there are some on the SLT who can see the problems. So many PSHE teachers are hopelessly captured and with safeguarding staff in a panic about being called transphobic in light of the dangerous guidance from trans activist groups (it's OK to transition children in secret and parents may be transphobic so keep them out of the loop) the government urgently needs to get a grip on all this.

"The girls said if you have a willy you’re a boy and a vagina you’re a girl and that’s it"

Actually the girls said "have a penis" they did not use a childish and twee euphemism.