To feel sorry for the teacher who was secretly recorded?

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Don't be snide. You know what I meant. In any case there is signage up when CCTV is in use.

That teacher was a disgrace. She was abusive and threatening to those girls while trying to force them into beliefs they do not hold. The girls on the other hand were nothing but polite. I have no sympathy at all.

No sympathy at all. No teacher should tell a child who doesn't agree with them that they are despicable and should be sent to another school. How on earth can she argue that diversity and inclusion is what's important while refusing to tolerate diversity of opinion? That she can't see the irony of what she said — you must be inclusive but your views cannot be tolerated — then she doesn't sound as if she has the intellectual capacity or degree of adult self-control to be teaching.

I've taught in a school where the HT believed parents and pupils over the teacher every time. It does happen.

But the teacher was probably made to take this line by the school and be sacked if they wouldn't, surely?

But @Outofthepark the school could mandate that you teach....idk....how oxbow lakes are formed, and a child could say, "I think god creates everything as it's meant to be" "my dad, who is a pastor would back me up" and the teacher could be as sure as eggs is eggs that teaching about flow, current, erosion and soil types is the right way to go. But, they would probably acknowledge the child's view, have a discussion, and say something along the lines of "most people think X but others may argue y and of course we don't all agree all the time..."

Screaming at them, shaming them and denigrating their certainty in their parent would be inappropriate.

“Look at the King! Look at the King! Look at the King, the King, the King!”
out of the mouths of babies and children…. Respect is mutual, and Opinion is individual - the teacher was out of order.

No sympathy at all,she's an idiot.

Having worked in schools for a long time, I am pleased the student recorded this. Otherwise it would have been denied, and the student made out to be a liar.

Pupils hardly ever win in an argument about he said/ she said. The teacher will win 99% of the time. I have seen it happen many a time.

Yet those rare teachers who listen and back down and acquiesce to a student's view and admit that maybe they didn't have it quite right, are ALWAYS the ones the kids like and respect. But they are incredibly rare.

As I said upthread, this is a whole school issue, not just the teacher. Whilst she was clearly incorrect, to make her the scapegoat without a root and branch review within the school will ultimately just destroy her career without moving the issue forward.

it cannot been reduced just to her.

No sympathy at all whatsoever.

Good on the students.

Those that espouse this ideology have had it told to them (by Stonewall et al). It's not like everyone woke up some day in, say, 2013 and all decided to adhere to gender ideology above all.

Students had no right to film her, and the teacher would have a very good case for taking legal proceedings, against either them or the school.

I would absolutely call someone despicable for using such offensive language.

It is vile using any language that is derogatory to people with SN, MH issues or disabilities but this is MN which is known for being ableist.

You can disagree with someone and not use vile language.

crumpet this may well be the case, but surely teachers are professional people. They have to take responsibility for their personal actions. If the school asks them to teach something which is blatantly untrue surely they should question that? They have more power than the kids!

i think given how far this ridiculous ideology has gone there should be a blanket rule that teachers do not express their personal opinions on this particular matter.
They are there to teach important subjects that will allow student to go onto further education, jobs etc. Matters on gender, spirit animals, sexual preferences and perversions have absolutely nothing to do with anyones future career.
I don’t feel sorry for the teacher, abuse has been going on in school (in many forms) for centuries. Thank god it can now be brought out in the open and teachers will have to be held accountable for their actions.

Good for them.

Gender ideology is built on lies. It requires people to believe lies. That's why it is so fragile.

That's why, when faced with disagreement, the response is anger (How dare you?) attempts to shame (Despicable!) and finally block/delete (You should find another school).

No genuine civil rights movement is comparable. Women's suffrage, American civil rights movement, gay rights are all easily defended in civil debate because they are founded in truth.

Teachers have to teach this. But the teachers reactions are not okay.

That's so important crumpet. The unions (including Headteachers), Ofsted, the DfE have all been captured by this ideology to the extent that safeguarding children has taken a back seat in favour of demands from trans lobby groups.

It's abusive to bully children to believe something that's untrue. If this results in schools returning to an ethical, child centred position, stops them gaslighting kids that they could be born in the wrong body & ensures that the vulnerable, mentally unwell children who believe that they're a cat / the opposite sex get professional support in collaboration with their parents, that's progress.

Was this teacher just "obeying orders" or being a "true believer" pushing this idiotic dogma on children makes no difference - gets not a shred of sympathy from me. Fully deserved to be exposed as there are still too many people who refuse to believe how nasty these nonsense peddlers can be.

The context here is they are not allowed to disagree with lies and nonsense regardless of what language they use.

Perhaps they could have expressed themselves in a more measured way. But so could the teacher.

And they are teenage girls, whereas the teacher is an adult and a professional in a position of responsibility.

And they are right and the teacher is peddling lies and dangerous ideology.

Having read articles of teachers vilified and ostracised for not bowing down to gender woo, it makes a nice change to finally see daylight upon what is being taught as fact for the batshittery it is.

That's not a teacher cowed into saying stuff in fear for her job. That's a teacher fanatically unhinged on complete lies thinking she can use her job to bully the resistance out of anyone who has the courage to tell her the emperor is stark bollock naked. I wouldn't want her within 10ft of my child.

And good on them for filming it, because those of us following the TRA handbook know how it would have gone. "That didn't happen", "you're lying", "you're just making stuff up to trying to get a teacher fired because she stood up to your bigotry".

And now it is out, it'll be all "well we didn't hear what happened before, those girls must have said something really horrible" or "it's just audio, it's obviously fake".

It's any and every excuse under the sun, DARVO the likes of which you've never seen, it's all they have.

I've not the slightest scrap of sympathy. That school needs investigating from top to bottom, that teacher needs slinging out on her backside, and these bullies need to get the message that the jig is up.

While it's not nice being recorded, many schools would not believe the girls who reported this behaviour. I suspect that the majority would put it down to she said/she said and do nothing. Video is unfortunately needed so that there is no question about what was said.
DfE and the unions need to have policies on this because it's getting ridiculous that teachers are having to remortgage their house because they refuse to use gender pronouns with 8 year olds.

I find it shocking that parents don't have to be informed about a change in pronouns at school. How is that not a safeguarding risk? If the school really thinks that the child is in danger then the child shouldn't be living there.

@SoftCoeur absolutely nails it!

YABU the girl holds perfectly reasonable views and for the teacher to label her akin to homophobic is extremely dangerous in the current climate. We've seen what happens to "TERFs" when they are labelled as such and that is effectively what this ADULT teacher was doing to this CHILD. They come across as a narcissistic bully and should be sacked. I'm glad it was recorded and actually think it should happen more because some teachers are absolutely in the wrong profession and children suffer as a result.

What offensive language did they use? Saying that someone is not a cat isn't offensive, even if the person really really believes it.
It's a bad road to go down if you think it's ok to threaten kids with expulsion if they don't go along with blatant lies.
And if you think that a girl believing that she is catgender is a mental health issue you're as transphobic as the rest of us.
Why are usually sensible adults going along with this rubbish?